understeer [solved]

[Jo]

i seem to get massive understeer with the ferrari 458, does anyone else have this problem

[Marty]

Street cars are prone to understeer, you need to enter slower with a little brake to bring the nose down and front wheels a bit more grip on entry. Too much brake and too late will shift too much weight forward and you will plough through the entry. If you cant hit the apex properly then you have come in too hot on entry. Get the feel for street cars and they can be quite fun to drive I think.

Here is a lap at nords in the standard 458 but I like this track in all cars from basic street to full open wheelers. Some of the street cars feel quite out of place on regular gp tracks but nords is more public road then race track so street cars are more natural around there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWXJdC23--8

Street cars being much softer then race cars will shift more weight and have less grip on a heavier car so you need to drive them different to most race cars to get them to turn in nicely and behave.

[Cenobite]

It's still understeer Jopo, the term refers to loss of traction in the front before the rear, street cars are set up to under steer as it's safer and more controllable when pushed past the point of tyre grip as opposed to the opposite which is oversteer where the rear will let go before the front.
Depending on track/car/conditions race cars will be see up as balanced with a tendency to be either tight (understeer), or slightly loose (oversteer).
Looser is generally faster but it's a fine line with consistency and drivability.

This is pretty basic and there is more to it due to the car attitude changing through a race from tyre wear, fuel consumption or track conditions, not t mention the power/torque influence on how the car is setup to be fast and drivable at the same time.
A car may tend to be loose at the start and end up tight, vice versa, or looser or tighter.

So long story short, the 458 does tend to understeer as it most probably should.

[sergio.carretas]

I've never driven the Ferrari, but the BMW Z4 has the opposite problem, understeer, so I move the brake bias 80/20 and it's OK now ... probably in Ferrari you have to move your brakes to the back a little more.

It's the easiest way to correct under/oversteer .. the others are Camber/and Spring adjustments but are way more complicated.

Gotta mess up a little with setups to go faster! :)

[Jo]

ok thanks guys, really helpful guys.
im trying to get used to simulators as i am coming from gran turismo which i thought was a good simulator but its actually not according to this sims great physics.
again thanks guys.

[Arya]

Originally posted by Jopo:

ok thanks guys, really helpful guys.
im trying to get used to simulators as i am coming from gran turismo which i thought was a good simulator but its actually not according to this sims great physics.
again thanks guys.

I strongly recommend doing a search for "Skip Barber racing school" on Youtube. There are several videos they produced, and although they're a bit old they helped me enormously. Like you, I transitioned across from GT with very little experience or knowledge. Training videos and community support really helped.

[Jo]

Originally posted by Vindekar:

Originally posted by Jopo:

ok thanks guys, really helpful guys.
im trying to get used to simulators as i am coming from gran turismo which i thought was a good simulator but its actually not according to this sims great physics.
again thanks guys.

I strongly recommend doing a search for "Skip Barber racing school" on Youtube. There are several videos they produced, and although they're a bit old they helped me enormously. Like you, I transitioned across from GT with very little experience or knowledge. Training videos and community support really helped.

thank you very much, i will check them out

[Arya]

You're welcome.

Efficient cornering is about lines and angles, not how late you brake. Brake early can cost you a few tenths of a second, but braking too late can cost you an entire race. It's better to find a good braking point-even if it's a little early-than to constantly push the brakes to their limit.

To find the "ideal" braking point, start by braking far too early and then keep lapping. Each lap, brake a bit(10 metres?) later until you feel like you've found the sweet spot. You'll know you've reached the ideal point when you're just tagging the apex, and you're able to pick-up the throttle immediately at the best point.

Any faster and you'd either miss the apex or run wide, any slower and you'd be leaving road "unused" on the exit.

[Bambuslooter]

The Problem is that most guys expect from a street car to handle like a GT car or in Forza a tuned car.
Good that i played always sims ;)

[TrevTheRev]

Using the 458 here , working good so far :)

[abrensons]

whats your lap time in monza? cant get down 2.02 myself with base model

Originally posted by joedeath332:

Using the 458 here , working good so far :)

[abrensons]

S3 is ok not so ok stock one

Originally posted by BRT Cobra:

nope cars great https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbPxDtKC1MM

[noobsbane]

As others have mentioned make sure you're trail-braking up to the apex (since you're understeering). As long as you don't over-rotate the wheel the front tyre temps will stay workable through the corner even as loaded as they will be.

[CUZR@MBO]

The game has an incredible unrealistic understeer. Does not matter if u say i am going too fast...i think only a small % of players have this problem. But it exists and i dont find an explanation.

[Klaus Schwab]

Originally posted by CUZR@MBO:

The game has an incredible unrealistic understeer. Does not matter if u say i am going too fast...i think only a small % of players have this problem. But it exists and i dont find an explanation.

I'm with you, I don't think a Ferrari understeers at 45km/h as much as it does with this game

My two tonne car can out corner most of these performance cars in game, 45 degree corners taken at anything more than 60km/h in game is impossible lol

[Ragequit Inc.]

Originally posted by Umadbrah:

Originally posted by CUZR@MBO:

The game has an incredible unrealistic understeer. Does not matter if u say i am going too fast...i think only a small % of players have this problem. But it exists and i dont find an explanation.

I'm with you, I don't think a Ferrari understeers at 45km/h as much as it does with this game

My two tonne car can out corner most of these performance cars in game, 45 degree corners taken at anything more than 60km/h in game is impossible lol

If you're getting understeer at 45, you're doing something wrong.