Clutch kick Drifting Help

[FightCain]

I'm using the AE86 Drift ver by Kunos since that's apparently good for beginners.

Watched many vids but I still can't tell if I am putting too much throttle or didn't hold the clutch long enough or catching too late and not holding the direction well enough.

Usually, I go through the steps of:
Going at least 50 km/h (or 30mp/h)
Pressing down the clutch and full throttle while turning towards the curve
Let go of the clutch and wheel and catch the wheel before it goes fully left or right and
then turn the wheel towards the curve.

[Folger419]

There are a few ways you can go about drifting. You dont have to use any one method to do it.

For example I use a controller to drift but I just rock the car out and into the turn so that the suspension becomes unsettled then while turning inward kick in the gas. Once you have broken the tires loose the throttle becomes very important as releasing will make the car want to exit the drift/increase the the tracking of the tires. Adding throttle will make the car want to go wider and continue to slide. While steering and countersteering are also important, as the tires build up heat what your doing with the throttle only becomes more important.

With a wheel you generally want to keep the wheel moving at whatever rate allows you the best control of the car and this will range from full or near full wheel locks to center or almost center. If your tires are hot enough most of your drift can be done with a near centered wheel. But generally, dont stop moving the wheel. One second of held input can cause a spinout or a jack knife. At the same time(counter to many opinions) try not to rail it into the redline. You can ride 150rpm off of the redline but at the redline you start to lose power going into the floor.

I could keep going but your going to learn by feel at the end of the day. I will leave it the BMW equivalent to your Toyota is the easiest car to drift with. It is unfair when compared to other cars how well this BMW drifts.

Good luck!

[FightCain]

Originally posted by Folger419:

There are a few ways you can go about drifting. You dont have to use any one method to do it.

For example I use a controller to drift but I just rock the car out and into the turn so that the suspension becomes unsettled then while turning inward kick in the gas. Once you have broken the tires loose the throttle becomes very important as releasing will make the car want to exit the drift/increase the the tracking of the tires. Adding throttle will make the car want to go wider and continue to slide. While steering and countersteering are also important, as the tires build up heat what your doing with the throttle only becomes more important.

With a wheel you generally want to keep the wheel moving at whatever rate allows you the best control of the car and this will range from full or near full wheel locks to center or almost center. If your tires are hot enough most of your drift can be done with a near centered wheel. But generally, dont stop moving the wheel. One second of held input can cause a spinout or a jack knife. At the same time(counter to many opinions) try not to rail it into the redline. You can ride 150rpm off of the redline but at the redline you start to lose power going into the floor.

I could keep going but your going to learn by feel at the end of the day. I will leave it the BMW equivalent to your Toyota is the easiest car to drift with. It is unfair when compared to other cars how well this BMW drifts.

Good luck!

Thanks!
I do hold the wheel rock tight
but I'll try loosening my grip and put a bit more input!

[ling.speed]

Clutch kick is not that "powerful" in 86 as in other cars because its high response NA engine. They usually help getting the boost up, brake traction on engine inertia and follow up with boost power.

So insterad of relying on drivetrain 86 is usually set to have natural oversteer from suspension - like you turn in and the car just oversteers. Its more about being precise - turning sharply but not too much and as soon as the car starts to rotate you need to reduce steering to keep front wheels at constant angle to the road.

If you have fast wheel (like direct drive etc) letting it go will countersteer too fast and loose you some turning grip. If you have weak wheel with a lot of rotation it can be too slow and again loose turning grip. Its hard to know what is going wrong just from reading... so you can try checking the replays of your own drifts and figuring when and why are your front wheels not pointing the right way (which is the most common cause of drift troubles).

Can also scandinavian flick it in (just few degrees of turning out of corner entry can empower the flick back enough to drift any car on paved roads).

[FightCain]

Originally posted by ling.speed:

Clutch kick is not that "powerful" in 86 as in other cars because its high response NA engine. They usually help getting the boost up, brake traction on engine inertia and follow up with boost power.

So insterad of relying on drivetrain 86 is usually set to have natural oversteer from suspension - like you turn in and the car just oversteers. Its more about being precise - turning sharply but not too much and as soon as the car starts to rotate you need to reduce steering to keep front wheels at constant angle to the road.

If you have fast wheel (like direct drive etc) letting it go will countersteer too fast and loose you some turning grip. If you have weak wheel with a lot of rotation it can be too slow and again loose turning grip. Its hard to know what is going wrong just from reading... so you can try checking the replays of your own drifts and figuring when and why are your front wheels not pointing the right way (which is the most common cause of drift troubles).

Can also scandinavian flick it in (just few degrees of turning out of corner entry can empower the flick back enough to drift any car on paved roads).

Yeah, I have a weaker wheel that's a logitech G29 with 900 degrees.

I'll try the scandi flick since I held it off until I got an understanding of the clutch kick first.

This is an old recording. I like this map since there's more asphalt to practice on compared to the Kunos drift map.
https://youtu.be/lwvCPD3BIE8

[Sassanid]

Originally posted by FightCain:

Originally posted by ling.speed:

Clutch kick is not that "powerful" in 86 as in other cars because its high response NA engine. They usually help getting the boost up, brake traction on engine inertia and follow up with boost power.

So insterad of relying on drivetrain 86 is usually set to have natural oversteer from suspension - like you turn in and the car just oversteers. Its more about being precise - turning sharply but not too much and as soon as the car starts to rotate you need to reduce steering to keep front wheels at constant angle to the road.

If you have fast wheel (like direct drive etc) letting it go will countersteer too fast and loose you some turning grip. If you have weak wheel with a lot of rotation it can be too slow and again loose turning grip. Its hard to know what is going wrong just from reading... so you can try checking the replays of your own drifts and figuring when and why are your front wheels not pointing the right way (which is the most common cause of drift troubles).

Can also scandinavian flick it in (just few degrees of turning out of corner entry can empower the flick back enough to drift any car on paved roads).

Yeah, I have a weaker wheel that's a logitech G29 with 900 degrees.

I'll try the scandi flick since I held it off until I got an understanding of the clutch kick first.

This is an old recording. I like this map since there's more asphalt to practice on compared to the Kunos drift map.
https://youtu.be/lwvCPD3BIE8

I'm sure you've improved leaps & bounds since this but you should be one gear higher here. You're pretty much red-lining around every corner because you're in a low gear, which doesn't give you enough momentum to oversteer around a corner and initiate a drift. Once you go a bit faster, you can basically drift without using clutch kicking at all, even though it's a good technique to know and learn anyway.

[FightCain]

Originally posted by Fret 𐎣𐎡𐎠𐎵𐎡:

Originally posted by FightCain:

Yeah, I have a weaker wheel that's a logitech G29 with 900 degrees.

I'll try the scandi flick since I held it off until I got an understanding of the clutch kick first.

This is an old recording. I like this map since there's more asphalt to practice on compared to the Kunos drift map.
https://youtu.be/lwvCPD3BIE8

I'm sure you've improved leaps & bounds since this but you should be one gear higher here. You're pretty much red-lining around every corner because you're in a low gear, which doesn't give you enough momentum to oversteer around a corner and initiate a drift. Once you go a bit faster, you can basically drift without using clutch kicking at all, even though it's a good technique to know and learn anyway.

Yeah I did leave it on second gear most of the time because I am trying not to go too fast.

Mostly learning to tackle touge maps.