Stability control, why its almost must in most cars?

[Murdoch]

Does it bug anyone else that cars become undrivable without it in most cases. Especially if you get the tail out, not even in the super nimble and insanley balanced 458 you'll catch it when you go for a nice power slide in a corner. I'm not the best driver in the world by any means but ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥... I hate it.

All you need is 30 - 40% Stability control and the game is perfect, should it be this way?

Anyone have real life experience in this in any car? :P I've driven cars but I dont have a license and most certenly never drifted anything but maybe a gocart on a very wet track once... :P

I finally managed to get a server up and working for me and my cousin to play on, and I'd love to drive without stability on, but I cant tolerate it. I love to always drive with no aids.

And well, I know some cars are simply not meant to be without stability control, some modern cars today are like jetfighters, without its computers it barely flies at all. ^^

Please, give me some real good input here! :) <3 <3 <3

I LOVE AC but this is painful sometimes.

[Murdoch]

Btw, off topic, HITMAN is a dissaster... buggy and broken. What a waste of money, wish I pirated it as someone suggested I had AC..... -.-

Cant even disable game controller so it randomly takes control of my mouse in menus and force me to ALT F4 the game because I cant do anything. GG!

Maybe its DFGT thats not good enough, might be part of it, but I'm still not convinced the way the car reacts is the correct way no matter what. Anyway, I'm ending this thread here.

Thanks for your input.

Thanks to Guidofoc, I do check my tire temps and such things, its not my first rodeo! ;P

I might check that app out tho, thanks!

[газовый барон]

I would say you just need in practice. And use 900 degrees if possible (don't force 900 degrees for cars with 540 for example), you'll get more precise control, which is must.

[Murdoch]

Funny, not heard anyone here that has some real experience with the real cars, is there none here with a fast Mustang or BMW that has done thins IRL to some degree?

I know have not... haha, I'm happy if I got food for all days of the month.... xD

My cousin said to me when we where playing that he noticed that I dont get angry when I know I ♥♥♥♥ up. I get angry when I feel like the car do something thats atleast to be seem real dumb.
Like start loosing front grip and just glides in a corner, no heavy if any accelerate, modulated breaking, or hard ABS breaking. Does not matter most of the time, it just goes off... looses its ♥♥♥♥. Thats something I've had alot on some cars. Does not need to be at high speed at all or going even remotely fast.

But anyay, lets just end this discussion now, goes nowhere.

If I can get good times with SC off and in many cars, and I drive pretty much all of them, I dont stick to one car. Like someone suggested the GT86, I've driven it a ton, and agree, its very easy to handle. But even that car do the same ♥♥♥♥, if you get it loose with zero SC it will go out and cant catch it or you catch it and you have to fight it like crazy just to get it going straight and on power again.

But yeah, fudge this, I'll just.. get guuud.. or what ever. Since most people dont understand, dont care, are blind.. I dunno... something is wrong.

Thanks to those that actually tried to help.

And ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, I have it to 900 degree's... the 540 thing was just a temporary thing and tbh it does not do much of a difference either. READ! Then post.

[Marty]

I have never felt the need to turn SC on and all my servers have it off as I am sure many others do too.

I have a r33 gtst Skyline RWD no TC or SC only ABS, I have no trouble driving that just as I dont any cars in game. Ive also driven a few faster race prepared cars and again had no issues in any cars ingame, some take a bit more care others are basically idiot proof as in GT3 with ABS and TC but thats how they are designed for rich idiots or did I mean gentlemen drivers.

Still even those to get the most out of them you need to know what your doing but the most basic thing to know in real driving and in a decent sim is when to brake and how to make an apex. To some people new to sims even with lots of real world track experiance this may take some adjusting due to limited feedback and sensation of speed.

But any person with some idea of how to drive can understand what causes understeer, oversteer and overall balance plus lines and control of your feet and hands. AC feels very natural to me an I can jump into any official car and as long as I dont overdrive it like a muppet have no issues.

In a real car on a real track its rare for people to overdrive and many get nowhere near the limits, in a sim nearly all new users overdrive massively thinking thats how you go quick. Thats actualy just the quickest way to the scene of the accident.

In a game or sim just use whatever aids you want, if you dont have the skills either practice a bit or use some aids. The fact that a huge majority can drive in ac in a natural way means the issues are with the driver not the cars in your case.

[bondyboy]

Originally posted by kazereal:

...First: never turn while braking. Never....

Never? Trail braking is a thing you know ;)

[Murdoch]

Originally posted by Marty:

I have never felt the need to turn SC on and all my servers have it off as I am sure many others do too.

I have a r33 gtst Skyline RWD no TC or SC only ABS, I have no trouble driving that just as I dont any cars in game. Ive also driven a few faster race prepared cars and again had no issues in any cars ingame, some take a bit more care others are basically idiot proof as in GT3 with ABS and TC but thats how they are designed for rich idiots or did I mean gentlemen drivers.

Still even those to get the most out of them you need to know what your doing but the most basic thing to know in real driving and in a decent sim is when to brake and how to make an apex. To some people new to sims even with lots of real world track experiance this may take some adjusting due to limited feedback and sensation of speed.

But any person with some idea of how to drive can understand what causes understeer, oversteer and overall balance plus lines and control of your feet and hands. AC feels very natural to me an I can jump into any official car and as long as I dont overdrive it like a muppet have no issues.

In a real car on a real track its rare for people to overdrive and many get nowhere near the limits, in a sim nearly all new users overdrive massively thinking thats how you go quick. Thats actualy just the quickest way to the scene of the accident.

In a game or sim just use whatever aids you want, if you dont have the skills either practice a bit or use some aids. The fact that a huge majority can drive in ac in a natural way means the issues are with the driver not the cars in your case.

Best reponse here by far, thank you.

I dont have much if any real driving experience, at least not worth really mentioning, its only been old Volvo's and crap like that, made before some of you where born.

I just have hard time to come to terms with the fact that no matter how I try to counter the oversteer, intentional oversteer I might add, it just goes and I'm gone, 8/10 times, the other 2 times where I do get it, its a real bad slide where I fight like I'm in a fight with a hungry tiger to stay alive... The counter steering does not seem to do anything at all.

And as I've said, I have good throttle control, I can drive fast if I just focus and as you say, dont over drive. I drive very neat I'd say when I focus, wich I find hard to do sometimes.. just the tire wear says alot I'd say, as I dont seem to wear out my tires nearly as much as say... my cousin who's alot more agressive, sometiems it pays off and he get better times but he also goes off alot more. He also has a much cheaper and broken wheel and alot less experience. I've been driving in games on computers since 1990, always loved driving games in general, the more sim in nature they are the better. Had long off periods too because well, have been a big lack of good sims for a long time, good games in general... Loved flightsims aswell, play a ton of ETS2 and go real crazy for that and do everything as realistic as possible then.

And people have told it, omg put it to 900 degree's even tho I've said that 190 out of my ~200 hours have been with full steering lock, or well, no thats not true, yhm say half, I did not have the DFGT when the came first came out in Early Access, but say, the last 100 or so hours has been 90% at 900 degree steering lock. Letting the game adjust for each car as I knew it did that from the start.

Maybe I'm just too slow in my reaction on the wheel. And as I dont get any response in my wheel action I dont do the rest either.... I've really tried and if I was a bad driver I would not get sub 2 minute times on Barcelona GP or Imola or what ever, I cant remember exactly wich wich and what times I get now but they have been pretty good even if I drive with SC off, and I always drive TC off, and thats a non issue... I like to get the car to slightly rotate on throttle in the longer semi fast corners to get as much speed as I can. But since it tends to just loose it and go off with out SC on no matter how gentle I am, and I'm pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ gentle its real hard. I can still do it in the 458 abit I've noticed but not sure I could in the other cars.

And I've driven all except lotus cars extensivly, or fairly anyway, mostly driven the road cars.
But love the GT3 cars, LMS, and all that too ofc.

Yellowbird is amazing, love the RUF's in general, abit understeery but they are good, and mad.. :)

Alfa GTA... damn, that is one lovely machine!

If I was super rubbish and just 100% failed I would not even be here posting anything.

A few years ago, well, many years ago, I went carting, and I was fastest on track and I had not been in a gocart in years, then and its been even more years now. I do have a slight advantage tho, I'm light weight, and I mean REALLY light... I'm the stage 3 458 inhuman form, or hell, the 4C... I'm missing 30 - 40 kg's, I should weigh 75 kg or so... I weigh 43 kg... there are medical reasons for that... byt anyway. I was fast, only got beat by the pro's when they came, people that have race carts and do racing, not sure if they did it professionally but they clearly was not amatures. I've always had it easy with vehicles, jumping in first time driving a car or a tractor or a motorcycle, the few times I've done it, its been easy for me.

I might only have 100 - 200 hours combined real world driving experience but atleast I got it, I get the basics. 200 hours depending on what you wanna count, a farm tractor is not really the same thing haha :P

If I failed at drifting the cars in high speed corners I'd imagine I just was not good enough... but when I go at very controlled speeds, and really try to do it as collected and nicely as humanly possible and the car still just spin around or get super nervous and I'm in the best freakin car available on the market atm, I cant just say, oh thats 100% my fault, my lack of skill. If I turn SC on, 20 - 30% I'm fine, I can drift and slide the 458 all day long.

50 - 60 km/h up to a corner, power up gently to get it loose and counter steer as soon as it goes and modulate the throttle to balance it, get it to hold... the steering input I do at that point is like void. Nothing happens, it just spins around 9/10 times. THAT is why I cant accept it. The speed increase then is 15 - 20 km/h at most.

I got zero play in the wheel or the throttle by the way, its set up to be as direct as it can possibly be.

God, this wil never end, will it?

And ffs Kunos, release the DLC now so I have something new to fight! :P <3

[bondyboy]

You mentioned earlier that you use very low FFB, maybe you're not receiving the FFB cues that inform you when the tyres are losing grip and how the weight is transferring? I believe a lot of my corrections are prompted by the FFB rather than visual or audio cues

[Murdoch]

I've experimented alot, I find it difficult to get the FFB good, but I've always felt like I easily can judge and feel what the car is doing. Being someone who have spent stupid insane crazy amount of time infront of my PC and have no life lol... I'm so used to reading things from a visual and sound view, I never feel like its a big deal.

When ever I drive Nurburgring or Imola or what ever, I still see those corners, all the little details I remember from playing the F1 games of old. I used to drive Monaco a ton in the F1 games of the late 90's and when ever I see it today I'm like.. ooh I remember that corner, and exactly how I used to deal with it. Even when I played these games without a wheel, it felt like I could feel the car, its weird.

If anyone has played alot of GTA, some people say the cars are weird and undrivable, and the reason they say it is because they dont understand cars and physics behind em, they just love to play games but have not real interest in cars. Me, who have always been crazy about em, my father used to Rally for many years, its in my blood... :D I can handle the cars in GTA games like I was sitting in em... I know its not the same at all, I get it, but the basic nature of it is still there.

Its very weird, when you change the settings sometimes for the FFB it goes from no feel to fighting you enough to rip your arms out of their sockets sometimes. And also sometimes its not working as it should its super stiff for no reason and you have to use the wheel or touch the pedals for it to wake up and be normal. So who knows what to trust and whats wrong, like a few weeks ago the game would not save the setup for my wheel even tho I had saved it, and even if I loaded it up it did not work, had to redo the setup, things like that also make it frustrating and hard to really get it tuned right. That issue is not there anymore, it works now but still. And my wheel is just a year old, it works fine, it does not seem to be faulty. Because then I would have issues with SC on aswell.

My previous wheel was a Thrustmaster Ferrari 458 italia wheel, Xbox wheel... with all the limitations and crap that comes with it. Before that I had a 15 year old Logitech FFB wheel, the Formula series. None of them come close to having 900 degree steeering and I could drive fine with them too. Took me months to get used to having 900 degree's, could not keep up was so used to the super sensitive nature of the cheap wheels. ;P

[kazereal]

Originally posted by BondyBoy:

Originally posted by kazereal:

...First: never turn while braking. Never....

Never? Trail braking is a thing you know ;)

Many cars won't have the stability for that during hard braking.

And it is less effective: you have only limited amount of friction and what you use for sideways force you can't use to decelerate (reduce forward momentum).

Better learn to brake without turning as original poster seems to be struggling with driving cleanly. Before making F1 capable driver better start from basics and avoid bad habits.

With experience there's all sorts of things to learn that will just confuse rookies..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavian_flick

[Murdoch]

I dont struggle to drive cleanly, or well, if I focus. :(

Sure, I break too late sometimes and ♥♥♥♥ but its mostly because I loose my focus often haha, when i dont I drive cleaner then most people I've seen I dare to say. Because I like it neat and tidy, I beat my self up real hard when I do stupid ♥♥♥♥... :P

Kinda like with me typing, I haaaaate when I spell a word wrong, drive me nuts! :D

My cousin is the one with the real issue, he drive like he's possessed lol :P Sure, it might make him fast when he nails it but he also bounces off the walls alot xD

I even showed one or two of you guys in this thread on a stream that I can drive neat and tidy and well. ;P

458 S3 around Barcelona GP.

[GRIGIR_PL]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYomG6r4JZ0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNdEPrm2_E0

If those videos won't help then I suggest reseting your wheel settings in profiler and AC , download new wheel drivers , calibrate your wheel. If that doesnt help then try this : go in the car that has no more than 200 horse power and set for example 30 % stability . Every 5 or 10 laps reduce stability about 5 % , after few laps u will know how to drive without stability. Make sure that if car has 900 degrees , it has actually 900 degrees in your game too. If that doesnt help then you are a troll or something because its impossible. And last thing : you will never learn how to drive with stability on. ♥♥♥♥ laptimes or drifting , on the beginning try to make clean laps without stability and get used to it. Please turn it off. Really. Dont even try keeping it on. IF U FOLLOWED ALL STEPS and watched videos and u still have a problem then , well...Uninstall Assetto please and dont write under this post because u annoying people who are trying to help you. Best wishes Your personal DJ

[Murdoch]

This thread is over for me. Thanks for the advice and all but its clear you have not understood or read what I've said. So... bye ^^

[bondyboy]

Originally posted by kazereal:

Originally posted by BondyBoy:

Never? Trail braking is a thing you know ;)

Many cars won't have the stability for that during hard braking....

Trail braking shouldn't involve heavy braking

[Talkie Toaster]

After reading all of this thread it's clear to me that Murdoch just needs to change driving style, and also set the wheel rotation to 900 degrees so that you have a 1:1 ratio with the wheel in game.

The fact that every single person disagrees with you about this is a bit of a clue as to what might be wrong, without trying to be rude.

Oh, and you mentioned GTA, man the physics in GTA are absolutely terrible - real cars do not handle anywhere close to that on the limit, it certainly can not be compared to any racing sim such as AC.

[Mr Crisp]

Originally posted by Talky Toaster:

After reading all of this thread it's clear to me that Murdoch just needs to change driving style, and also set the wheel rotation to 900 degrees so that you have a 1:1 ratio with the wheel in game.

The fact that every single person disagrees with you about this is a bit of a clue as to what might be wrong, without trying to be rude.

Oh, and you mentioned GTA, man the physics in GTA are absolutely terrible - real cars do not handle anywhere close to that on the limit, it certainly can not be compared to any racing sim such as AC.

Seeing as all that is true and given that God is infinite, and that the universe is also infinite... would you like a toasted teacake?