Stability control, why its almost must in most cars?

[Murdoch]

Does it bug anyone else that cars become undrivable without it in most cases. Especially if you get the tail out, not even in the super nimble and insanley balanced 458 you'll catch it when you go for a nice power slide in a corner. I'm not the best driver in the world by any means but ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥... I hate it.

All you need is 30 - 40% Stability control and the game is perfect, should it be this way?

Anyone have real life experience in this in any car? :P I've driven cars but I dont have a license and most certenly never drifted anything but maybe a gocart on a very wet track once... :P

I finally managed to get a server up and working for me and my cousin to play on, and I'd love to drive without stability on, but I cant tolerate it. I love to always drive with no aids.

And well, I know some cars are simply not meant to be without stability control, some modern cars today are like jetfighters, without its computers it barely flies at all. ^^

Please, give me some real good input here! :) <3 <3 <3

I LOVE AC but this is painful sometimes.

[ShamefulManny]

I can't say that I've ever felt the need to turn stability control on at all. Are you using a wheel? Or a controller?

[Bigbazz]

I don't need stability to drive any of the cars and that comes from learning how to drive each car and know what I can do and what I can't do, and driving the car within those limitations. Stability control takes away a lot of those limitations, doesn't really make the car faster but allows you to drive more aggressively and more sloppily without being punished so hard, so it allows you to get closer to the cars limits with much less difficulty.

If you enjoy it with Stability then just use it, if you care about "no driving aids" then turn it off and start learning how to treat certain types of car because very subtle changes in approach could fix all your issues.

[Mr.Herbi]

Stability Control always off. Are you shure you are not talking about Traction Control?

[Mr Crisp]

The stability control assist option is a `fake` software driven assist- some cars have SC on by default, if thats how they come out the factory but the SC in the menu is an additional assist.

If you are using a controller, then even the developers suggest using SC at 65%- but if you are using a wheel, you won't want to use it at all as you have the ability to correct the car and stabilise it a lot easier.

[Murdoch]

Use a Driving Force GT wheel. 900 degree wheel. Set to 540 atm because it worked better in Dirt Rally and in AC too, most cars dont use more anyway I think, not sport cars anyway.

I never run TC, ABS I take on and off depending on what I drive and do. I talk stability.
When I run off line solo, I just turn it down to 20 - 30% and its fine, but if you turn it all off its terrible. If you never go sideways its still drivable in most cars, but if you ever go sideways it just goes and then wont get stable.

On servers you cant even decide your self, most servers probably have it on.
And you cant adjust it, its on or off from what I've found in the manager, maybe you can do it in some file.

I got pretty good throttle control so I can handle the car, but no matter how I try to steer and catch a drift as soon as I get over a tiny bit of the very small edge it just goes and spins, and I'm not even talking very high speeds either. And alot of cars also get real twitchy under breaking if its turned off... Does not seem realistic to me at all.

In my 200 hours of I've pretty much spent 95% running hotlaps or doing nordshleife runs, not always 10/10's but I like to push my self and my skill, I hate to run with the aids in the cars...

[Murdoch]

The for example, the stock Gallardo, I imagne the real car is pretty damn stable under breaking and controllable even with ESC off, the 458 too, the 12C maybe not so much... its playstation in car form lol... but you know....

[Mr Crisp]

If you have a wheel, you should set it to 900 degrees and leave it there- then turn of SC and you will find that you won't `de-stabilise` the car so much.

If you use a lower lock-to-lock steering degree than the actual car has, then you will find yourself oversteering and thusly de-stabilising the car- which is probably why you find it `easier/better` with some SC.

SC is not needed with a wheel, unless you severly lack skill with a wheel as the SC option is more for controller players as its harder to stabilise a car with a controller IMO.

You can't turn off factory SC, you can however turn off factory ABS or TC if the car allows it and obviously has those options.

[Murdoch]

I have had 900 degree set on my wheel for a year, it did not help.

I call bull on the SC part, on my little server if I turn SC off on the Ferrari it goes mad, or well its still fine untill I try to power slide, turn it back on and I can power slide like I'm Chris Harris all day.

I drove the looooovely Alfa GTA yesterday, with SC on, that car I'm not sure if it matters, but even on that car that should have no electronics beyond a battery most likely it probably make a difference too.

[Murdoch]

Just to try, I did some power sliding in the GTA yesterday, did with no issue, ESC turned on in the server settings. Its just an on or off, cant change more then that.

Now I turned it off, lets see if it still can power slide without loosing it.

[Mr Crisp]

Originally posted by Murdoch:

I have had 900 degree set on my wheel for a year, it did not help.

Then your issue isn't with hardware or the software but your `lack of skill`, surely?

I call bull on the SC part, on my little server if I turn SC off on the Ferrari it goes mad, or well its still fine untill I try to power slide, turn it back on and I can power slide like I'm Chris Harris all day.

I don't use SC and use 900 degrees on my wheel(s) and the 458 is one of my favourite cars and its easy to drive it with TC setting 1 and as you go to setting 4 on the TC you get `more slip` and its really fun kicking the back out but not enough you end up losing it- but then you need some skill to actually stabilise the car- which just comes with practise.

I drove the looooovely Alfa GTA yesterday, with SC on, that car I'm not sure if it matters, but even on that car that should have no electronics beyond a battery most likely it probably make a difference too.

Again, I don't use SC with my wheels, I do use it when sometimes I want to have aquick race with a controller, then its anywhere between 25% and 65%- which just makes it less frusttrating when trying to correct the car.

If you want to feel the pure driving experience of each car, don't use SC- just stick to adjusting the TC/ABS until you can drive it without losing it on a corner- until then SC is just a crutch where you lack skill.

[Murdoch]

Its not a TC problem, TC wont help... I dont loose it because of TC, if I refrain from doing power slides most cars are okey but even then if you do loose it its almost un catchable and it will throw around like mad no matter what speed, and I get it to a degree but it seem exagerated to me.

I tested in the Alfa GTA now, with SC off, and its okey but but its like 2/5 chance of holding any sort of slide without loosing it, and if you try to catch it and do it just swings the other waya nd you have try and catch that too, and if I was not smooth and gentle with my input I'd get it, but I'm not, I go for really controlled progressive powerslides, good throttle, no matter how I do it, wont work. Same on all the cars. SC on and its fine, even a tiny bit of SC on is fine. think I've tried even just 15% and its a totally different thing. Its weird to me and dont think its good enough.

[Mr Crisp]

Originally posted by Murdoch:

Its not a TC problem, TC wont help... I dont loose it because of TC, if I refrain from doing power slides most cars are okey but even then if you do loose it its almost un catchable and it will throw around like mad no matter what speed, and I get it to a degree but it seem exagerated to me.

Its `almost uncatchable but its not`- its harder the less skill you have- the point is every car is different and it just takes practise to not spin out, lose control and have the ability to stabilse a car properly.

I'm not suggesting your issue is TC but that you lack skill and therefore are using a `crutch` known as `software assist SC`- turn it off and learn to control the cars properly using 900 degree wheel rotation- you can ignore me but then you are doing yourself a diservice because this is how you get the most from the experience- using less assists and espcially NOT using `fake` SC.

I tested in the Alfa GTA now, with SC off, and its okey but but its like 2/5 chance of holding any sort of slide without loosing it, and if you try to catch it and do it just swings the other waya nd you have try and catch that too, and if I was not smooth and gentle with my input I'd get it, but I'm not, I go for really controlled progressive powerslides, good throttle, no matter how I do it, wont work. Same on all the cars. SC on and its fine, even a tiny bit of SC on is fine. think I've tried even just 15% and its a totally different thing. Its weird to me and dont think its good enough.

Again, why are you even using SC? You have a wheel- you don't need to test anything. Just turn off SC and practise controlling and stabilising the car as you would in real life- unless you want to use a crutch to help you, in which case what is the issue?

What isn't good enough? The SC? Its FAKE, it is a SOFTWARE DRIVEN ASSIST and is not perfect because its generic for ALL cars.

Turn it off. Practise and realise you never needed it in the first place.

[Murdoch]

I've tried so much and it does not work. Hell, would not be suprised if alot of you drive online and think you are SC off when you're not. The SC option you get in single player I think atleast is meant to simulate the ESC that all modern cars have today. What it does on the server side I do not know, if its the exact same or not.

"Fake!" is kinda weird way to say it, is it "FAKE" in a real car too? In the GTA, sure, its 100% fake, that car have no systems like that.... barely have breaks... :P but in a 458... 12C, Gallardo...all those cars got ESC systems, and you can adjust it a ton, same with TC and well, ABS maybe, not sure, in some cases you have to pull a fuse to disable ABS... but anywayyy.

You talk to me like I have not been clear enough. To me it seems to be a game problem, phsycis model issue more then my driving. And I hate to say that, I feel stupid saying it...but I've tried so much, and driven so much in this simulator, I see and feel a HUGE difference and it does not feel natural. And I maybe only ave 70 - 100 hours of real car experience in my life...
But I feel I understand these systems enough to judge, I devour reviews and car content online like... to a degree I should probably spend more time on getting a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ life then watching Chris Harris play with a stick in a fancy car.... or fiddle with flappy things. ....

But anyway, I feel like these cars should be more stable with SC off, you see people like Clarkson doing powerslides with one hand and I'm pretty sure he turns SC off then in cars. Not all cars can do that, without the aids of the computers, but the 458 should sure as hell do that just fine. I'd compare that to a high end motorcycle in the balance it has.

But I dont know, maybe I'm just an idiot. ^^

[Bigbazz]

Make some videos of your issues happening, with throttle/brake/steering meter visible.

[Murdoch]

Gonna watch Mitt Farrah drive the 488 GTB now.. :D