How are people getting around the brake pressure issue

[sfrost]

So nowhere in the game can you adjust the brake pressure of any of the cars, which is absolutely ridiculous for a game that claims to be a sim and has spent years in development -_-, but if that's the case everyone is using the same brake pressure yet whereas I struggle to tap the brakes without locking up other people are simply flying around the track without a hitch, so i am wondering what are people doing to avoid the lock ups?

I have tried the brake pedal gamma setting and it didn't really help the problem, tried adding deadzone to the pedal and that made the problem worse, checked and made sure my pedals are calibrated. Gone and played GTR2, Raceroom, and Rfactor 1 and the demo of 2 to see if my pedals worked ok there and they worked flawlessly didn't even need to play around the linearity just whacked everything on 100% sensitivity and was good to go. I am stumped and it is really frustrating because 40hours into this game I am still afraid of the brake pedal

Edit: I am driving the GT3 cars atm

[Bigbazz]

Brake pressure can be changed in the car setup on cars that have brake pressure modulation (from powered braking systems) in real life. Otherwise not sure what you're asking. The gamma changes how linear brake pressure is in regards to pedal travel, which is essentially the same thing.

It's up to you to decide how much brake you apply, if a car does not have adjustable brake pressure in the real world then why would it in the sim?

[sfrost]

Bigbazz の投稿を引用：

Brake pressure can be changed in the car setup on cars that have brake pressure modulation (from powered braking systems) in real life. Otherwise not sure what you're asking. The gamma changes how linear brake pressure is in regards to pedal travel, which is essentially the same thing.

It's up to you to decide how much brake you apply, if a car does not have adjustable brake pressure in the real world then why would it in the sim?

I am driving the GT3 cars atm and in real life they offer brake pressure adjustment, however I have yet to see such an option in the game.

In addition I have tried playing around with the brake gamma as I said but to no avail I still face the same problem of locking up the brakes under light braking. I have tried moving the bias away from the locking wheels but it just makes the oppositte end lock. For example Brooklands at Silverstone, the rear kept locking up under braking so I moved bias forward and had to keep moving it forward in the mclaren till it was at 70% to stop the rear locking up as severly but then the front would lock. I know for a fact that at such speed drivers can slam on the brake pedal without fear of the tyres locking up in real life as the downforce provides extra grip and as you slow down you ease off the brake as you lose downforce and the tyres lose grip. I can only use about 50% of brake pedal before I can feel the rear wanting to step out. No amount of gamma will fix that problem.

[Frogster 🐸]

GT3 cars have abs brakes in the game and real life anyway, so why you have turned it off

[Bigbazz]

You're gonna have to post video footage with pedal input meter on to show what you mean, and also your wheel/pedal setup helps. This is not something I have issue with at all and the first and absolutely first thing we need to rule out here is driver error, or error of expectation.

Also you're gonna have to provide a source about GT3 cars having brake pressure adjustment, since GT3 cars have ABS it's not the kind of car that needs a user/setup adjustable brake pressure. If you're driving a GT3 car then really you should have both ABS and Traction Control set to Factory.

[sfrost]

Eero の投稿を引用：

GT3 cars have abs brakes in the game and real life anyway, so why you have turned it off

Learning how to threshold brake myself, not every car has ABS and I drive alot of different cars in the game so thought it would be best to learn to drive without it, it is not impossible afterall.

Bigbazz の投稿を引用：

You're gonna have to post video footage with pedal input meter on to show what you mean, and also your wheel/pedal setup helps. This is not something I have issue with at all and the first and absolutely first thing we need to rule out here is driver error, or error of expectation.

Also you're gonna have to provide a source about GT3 cars having brake pressure adjustment, since GT3 cars have ABS it's not the kind of car that needs a user/setup adjustable brake pressure. If you're driving a GT3 car then really you should have both ABS and Traction Control set to Factory.

Will give a go recording so you can see what I mean.

GT3 cars use a hydraulic braking system, by altering the amount of fluid within the system you can alter the pressure thereby altering the brake pressure, that's the gist I got from the little research I did, could be wrong about it though. Although the cars have ABS you still don't want excessive braking force so having an adjustable amount makes sense. Also several other games that feature GT3 cars have the option for the brake pressure for them to be adjusted like project cars and rfactor 2, believe so does Iracing but can't find an image of the setup options to confirm that.

[Bigbazz]

Yeah but in Hydraulic braking systems on most racing cars the brake pressure depends entirely on your foot, like modern F1 cars. If you're driving a GT3 car you should have ABS on, now cars that are designed around ABS by default have quite volatile braking if you turn it off, it's designed to be driven with it on and you should never lock your brakes if it's on.

See here, for example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LH95juM0-s

Same thing with traction control, the Ferrari F2002 mod is horrible with traction control turned off, but the real car had traction control and that system is modelled in the "factory" setting, you turn it on and the car is incredible, because the engine mapping is tuned in a way that it's not meant to be driven without traction control and the power delivery is bad without it.

That car (F2002) also has power assisted braking, and you can control the brake pressure within a 10% margin via the setup.. But in a modern F1 car there is no such system.

[sfrost]

Bigbazz の投稿を引用：

Yeah but in Hydraulic braking systems on most racing cars the brake pressure depends entirely on your foot, like modern F1 cars. If you're driving a GT3 car you should have ABS on, now cars that are designed around ABS by default have quite volatile braking if you turn it off, it's designed to be driven with it on.

Same thing with traction control, the Ferrari F2002 mod is horrible with traction control turned off, but the real car had traction control and that system is modelled in the "factory" setting, you turn it on and the car is incredible, because the engine mapping is tuned in a way that it's not meant to be driven without traction control and the power delivery is bad without it..

That car also has power assisted braking, and you can control the brake pressure within a 10% margin via the setup.

The brake pressure you control with your foot is the applied brake pressure, but the available brake pressure is the maximum the braking system is able to provide should you max out on the brake pedal. Your foot can never apply more pressure than what is available from the system.

Will keep the ABS option in my back pocket but would ideally like to keep looking for an alternative if there is one out there.

[Bigbazz]

The silly sim racing stigma that you should use no driving aids at all times is just silly, a GT3 car is meant to be driven with ABS on and cars designed around having real driving aids are optimal with them on, and as a result can be difficult with them off. Wanting to drive the car without ABS and then getting mad because you're locking up just seems crazy to me.

[sfrost]

Bigbazz の投稿を引用：

The silly sim racing stigma that you should use no driving aids at all times is just silly, a GT3 car is meant to be driven with ABS on and cars designed around having real driving aids are optimal with them on, and as a result can be difficult with them off. Wanting to drive the car without ABS and then getting mad because you're locking up just seems crazy to me.

I have nothing against aids, simply wanted to learn to control the car without having to depend on them. I didn't know the game would penilise me for doing so by making the cars undriveable. If it is a case of the cars only work with the aids on then I will just set them to the lowest setting, but as I said would like to explore if there are any other options. Hardly call that silly.

[Bigbazz]

sfrost の投稿を引用：

Bigbazz の投稿を引用：

The silly sim racing stigma that you should use no driving aids at all times is just silly, a GT3 car is meant to be driven with ABS on and cars designed around having real driving aids are optimal with them on, and as a result can be difficult with them off. Wanting to drive the car without ABS and then getting mad because you're locking up just seems crazy to me.

I have nothing against aids, simply wanted to learn to control the car without having to depend on them. I didn't know the game would penilise me for doing so by making the cars undriveable. If it is a case of the cars only work with the aids on then I will just set them to the lowest setting, but as I said would like to explore if there are any other options. Hardly call that silly.

The game is set up to as accurately as possible model each car. If a car is meant to be a nightmare when you turn off the traction control then good luck taming it, if a car struggles to heat up its tyres in certain conditions then have fun, if the car overheats it's tyres then have fun.

For example the GT3 cars in the real world will overheat the soft tyres very easily and so they are only worth using in narrow circumstances like specific tracks or at certain track temperatures, or maybe only for 1 lap runs.. The game mirrors this behavior and so if you run soft tyres you're going to come across these issues.

You should set the ABS/TC to Factory settings (which means it's modelling the real cars ABS/TC system) and you can adjust them by pressing CTRL + T (for traction control) with the higher number being less aggressive setting, CTRL + A is for ABS. Cars that have these systems in the real world will have them in the game as part of the car model, these cars (especially racing cars) might be very difficult with them turned off.

It's not about "depending on driving aids". Some cars are designed to extract the maximum out of the driving aids for ultimate race performance, so if you turn them off they won't drive properly and might cause you real issues.


Edit : Final note, when set to "Factory" cars that don't have ABS/TC in real life will not have them in the game either, factory only works in cars that have those in real life.

[sfrost]

Bigbazz の投稿を引用：

The game is set up to as accurately as possible model each car. If a car is meant to be a nightmare when you turn off the traction control then good luck taming it, if a car struggles to heat up its tyres in certain conditions then have fun, if the car overheats it's tyres then have fun.

For example the GT3 cars in the real world will overheat the soft tyres very easily and so they are only worth using in narrow circumstances like specific tracks or at certain track temperatures, or maybe only for 1 lap runs.. The game mirrors this behavior and so if you run soft tyres you're going to come across these issues.

You should set the ABS/TC to Factory settings (which means it's modelling the real cars ABS/TC system) and you can adjust them by pressing CTRL + T (for traction control) with the higher number being less aggressive setting, CTRL + A is for ABS. Cars that have these systems in the real world will have them in the game as part of the car model, these cars (especially racing cars) might be very difficult with them turned off.

It's not about "depending on driving aids". Some cars are designed to extract the maximum out of the driving aids for ultimate race performance, so if you turn them off they won't drive properly and might cause you real issues.


Edit : Final note, when set to "Factory" cars that don't have ABS/TC in real life will not have them in the game either, factory only works in cars that have those in real life.

I have no problems with putting the power down in any of the cars I drive with TC off, my problem has been the braking and how strong the brakes are in every car from the fiat 500s to the gt3 cars. I know other people have been having the same problem but all the threads I saw were kind of old was hoping since then someone had found a solution and could post it here. I know ABS is the quickest fix but I want to know if there is any other option out there that doesn't require ABS, such as setup changes.

[Marty]

Some people want to simulate other sims not the real world though. 😊

GT3 cars even have factory ABS which you can b use but using g27 I have no issues in any car. Well some road cars that have abs and no bias control really shouldnt be driven without ABS as it wouldnt be disabled by anyone.

For gamma I have it at 1.0 and its fine in cars that come without ABS. 1 tip for AC seems first time you start a new track session fully depress all pedals especially brake to calibrate its travel range.

If you dont press the pedal fully it seems to use only as much as your max press. But as soon as you press the pedal it will give you full travel.

That is the case with g27 and g25 that ive had not sure about other pedals.

[kazereal]

sfrost の投稿を引用：

my problem has been the braking and how strong the brakes are in every car from the fiat 500s to the gt3 cars

Adjusing brake balance (in cars that support it from cockpit) might help you.
Another thing is that brake temperatures are coming 1.7? which changes things for various cars.

You don't need brake pressure adjusting: cars have some maximum force you can have and with brake fading, changing track conditions, tyre wear, fuel load etc. during races it is upto driver to "choose" how much of that pressure is used at any given moment.

Cars are not really setup to a lower brake pressure, that is merely something some other game/sim has invented for itself.

When brakes are working normally they give the maximum pressure they can deliver, during races brakes fade and conditions change so that might change.
If there's loss of pressure there is something wrong with brake system (lack of fluid, air in the system, overheating fluids or brakes..).

Hydraulic brakes have been common in all cars for many decades now. At some point some cars might have used mechanical wire with drum brakes and only heavy weight vehicles like buses and such use pneumatic brake system (which is slower to react).

Starting a race with reduced pressure is error or malfunction somewhere, that would be like starting a race with a punctured tyre..