Open world? (Just food for thought)

[ELAKPUCKO3]

Has anyone of you thought of the idea of an "Open World Assetto Corsa"-type game?

//Disclaimer: Just hear me out, i know it's not the same and it's more relative to the other but don't slaughter me in the comments please.

First of, we love racing cars with great physics and laser-scanned tracks, right?
But you've gotta admit that it'd be a cool idea to have a open-world-city/village (or whatever kind of scenery you'd like) with the physics of a simulator.

For those of you've that've played flight-sims know that you can fly around pretty much the entire world if you like, with every m² being detalied by using mods. So i was thinking, couldn't it be possible to have the entire world (or atleast an 'Arma-sized-map') in racing-sims?

Here's a mod that is quite cool for flight-sims (X-Plane 11): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-bgtLuKdlU

You basically chose what area (tile) you want of the world and it'll render that area from (from what i assume is) google earth and it'll be incredibly detailed. So i wondering if this could be implemented into Assetto Corsa via mods? The 3D-part of the area/map could be handmade although it would take ALOT of time (tbh i don't know how much time it would take due to the fact that i have no clue what program modders make to make a map for this game, also depending if you just want to drag and drop a 'stock-3D-house', tress, bridges, tunnels, road textures etc. etc. etc.).


Summary:
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- Open world driving sim (Assetto Corsa/Racing sim)

- Real locactions (drive outside your own house)

- The techonology exists so why not try?


Questions: (feel free to answer)
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1. Interested (Why/Why not)?

2. Possible in your opinion (as a user of Assetto Corsa/'Sim Racer', professional dev, modder)?

3. Would you support this idea financially (buy a sim like this, donate to a project)?

4. Would it bring more people into racing sims if they could experience familiar locactions however in a sports-/super-car to see the difference?

5. Would it encourage real-world street racing?


Feel free to type any questions you have or type whatever you want really.

Just an idea, i know that flightsims and racingsims are VERY different but i do believe that it is not impossible to do it!

- Update: I now know that there's actuall city-map-mods for assetto corsa, which is amazing! Please link them this thread if it's not too much to ask!

[luZk]

There is a gta vice city and san andreas mod for assetto corsa, but modding the arma2 map into AC is actually a pretty good idea if it can be done.

[ELAKPUCKO3]

Originally posted by _____:

There is a gta vice city and san andreas mod for assetto corsa, but modding the arma2 map into AC is actually a pretty good idea if it can be done.

I know, i just updated my post, i am watching vids of it on youtubem that's amazing. And yeah, arma map-sized maps would be orgasmic.

[luZk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOU2j6HHOyI

[ELAKPUCKO3]

Originally posted by _____:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOU2j6HHOyI

Thanks for the link! I will comment on it linking to this thread, hoping to get some traction!

[luZk]

The san andreas map isnt really working though, that should give some insight into the size limits of AC mods.

[ELAKPUCKO3]

Originally posted by _____:

The san andreas map isnt really working though, that should give some insight into the size limits of AC mods.

Didn't know that, well we'll figure something out.

[BitNuker]

1. i would love the idea to have an open world with traffic and cops with simulator physics and would buy it.
2. open world racing games are made by big companys not by so small devs like kunos. Simulators are a niche and thats why a big company which can do open worlds like forza horizon are making the games easier so more people can play it and will buy it. Dark souls is an exception but it´s a legendary title wich everyone knows about and rpgs are way more popular then racing games.
4. no because racing is hard. In an open world where you don´t know the "track" it´s even harder.
Thats why dirt 4 has a gamer mode. Most people that drive with my simulator don´t want to race that long because they keep crashing. They only know games like need for speed and are driving in the street without going to the limit but they think that driving a racecar on the nordschleife is not much harder then driving with a vw golf to the supermarket. Then they see the reality they say it is unrealistic and don´t want to get slowly better and decide to play games in which you are good from the begining. I heard that a lot in my life that people keep saying you just need to steer and pressing a few pedals. They did not race once in their life because it is so "boring and easy".
5. i don´t think so. I think if you play easy games you think you can do this in real life too but if you play a hardcore simulator you know the risk and don´t race on the streets.

Conclusion: There are only a few simracers and i think atleast 50% of them will not like this idea and arcade users will say it is too hard so you don´t have enough buyers for this kind of game. I hope there will be such a game in the future though. Also most people on console are playing with controller and so they don´t profit from good ffb and physics. I don´t know how well AC is being sold on console but i think not many people will like this game on console. Gran turismo and pcars are just more apealing because they focus on other things that the people like more than physics like good graphic.

[luZk]

They could always do a real physics pack for the crew, that is a great roadtrip game.

[Dajonaga]

http://store.steampowered.com/app/493490/

It's good

[ELAKPUCKO3]

Originally posted by BitNuker:

1. i would love the idea to have an open world with traffic and cops with simulator physics and would buy it.
2. open world racing games are made by big companys not by so small devs like kunos. Simulators are a niche and thats why a big company which can do open worlds like forza horizon are making the games easier so more people can play it and will buy it. Dark souls is an exception but it´s a legendary title wich everyone knows about and rpgs are way more popular then racing games.
4. no because racing is hard. In an open world where you don´t know the "track" it´s even harder.
Thats why dirt 4 has a gamer mode. Most people that drive with my simulator don´t want to race that long because they keep crashing. They only know games like need for speed and are driving in the street without going to the limit but they think that driving a racecar on the nordschleife is not much harder then driving with a vw golf to the supermarket. Then they see the reality they say it is unrealistic and don´t want to get slowly better and decide to play games in which you are good from the begining. I heard that a lot in my life that people keep saying you just need to steer and pressing a few pedals. They did not race once in their life because it is so "boring and easy".
5. i don´t think so. I think if you play easy games you think you can do this in real life too but if you play a hardcore simulator you know the risk and don´t race on the streets.

Conclusion: There are only a few simracers and i think atleast 50% of them will not like this idea and arcade users will say it is too hard so you don´t have enough buyers for this kind of game. I hope there will be such a game in the future though. Also most people on console are playing with controller and so they don´t profit from good ffb and physics. I don´t know how well AC is being sold on console but i think not many people will like this game on console. Gran turismo and pcars are just more apealing because they focus on other things that the people like more than physics like good graphic.

I appreciate you taking your time to answer the questions!

The console market wouldn't fit a sim like this idea because to be fair, they've never really had any sims when you think about it. But yes, that is an important question to consider if you're going to make a project the size of this idea, as it is a valuable market (consoles).

If forza decieded to team up with konuz (although, that would be highly "doubtable"), they could make a pretty much perfect game for everyone (into racing games/sims), open world sim-racer with maybe some physics-settings for people who want to play it as an arcade in some sense?

The technology is here, all we need now is a market for that type of game (Which FH might already have established).

[ELAKPUCKO3]

Originally posted by _____:

They could always do a real physics pack for the crew, that is a great roadtrip game.

Interesting, they do have a "Hardcore" mode but that's still arcadey.

Why not send Ubisoft an e-mail about that suggestion? They will most likley forward the idea to their dev-team for "The Crew 2". You could also add that it could be a future DLC maybe? Since it takes a long time to moddify the handling of all cars to their realistic counter parts, not considering the upgrades you can do for your car.

[ELAKPUCKO3]

Originally posted by Dajonaga:

http://store.steampowered.com/app/493490/

It's good

Yes it is, i have it on steam, amazing game. It seems like it's an old engine though, might not be able to handle huge maps with 20km² drivable areas however.

[BitNuker]

Fh 3 team with kunos would be ideal. To be fair, not all people who tested my setup didn´t like it. I have 2 friends which bought a pc and wheel just for AC after trying it and 2 friends who had a pc and bought a wheel for AC. Most people don´t know that AC feels really good with a wheel. They only know gran turismo and think it is the most realistic driving game and are not interested in these kind of games because they don´t know about the realistic simulators. I worked in a racing team and most people there liked it but they aren´t gamers so it is hard to reach them. There is a market and potential growth because there are people who love realistic driving simulators but you will need massive amounts of cash for marketing so they know about this kind of games especially if they played games like need for speed in their youth but don´t play games anymore. You pay a lot of cash for a good setup and i think the only way to convince these people is a place where they can test it themself like a simulator in electronic shops or simulators in places like porsche car dealerships.

[ELAKPUCKO3]

Originally posted by BitNuker:

Fh 3 team with kunos would be ideal. To be fair, not all people who tested my setup didn´t like it. I have 2 friends which bought a pc and wheel just for AC after trying it and 2 friends who had a pc and bought a wheel for AC. Most people don´t know that AC feels really good with a wheel. They only know gran turismo and think it is the most realistic driving game and are not interested in these kind of games because they don´t know about the realistic simulators. I worked in a racing team and most people there liked it but they aren´t gamers so it is hard to reach them. There is a market and potential growth because there are people who love realistic driving simulators but you will need massive amounts of cash for marketing so they know about this kind of games especially if they played games like need for speed in their youth but don´t play games anymore. You pay a lot of cash for a good setup and i think the only way to convince these people is a place where they can test it themself like a simulator in electronic shops or simulators in places like porsche car dealerships.

The dealership-part wasn't bad, MB can do it for their "AMG-section", Audi for their (R)S-models and BMW for their M-cars. Those 3 companies have a massive budget when it comes to advertisement. I would know since i was an intern at a local MB-dealership at the "economic deparment", as well as a Skoda. The difference for these two companies in the budget for advertisement is massive (MB & Skoda).

[ilborga70]

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