Which cpu

[nicelub]

Hi, I have old cpu phenom II x4 955 and gpu amd r9 270x. I think that cpu bottlenecks gpu and I want upgrade.
Should I buy cheaper pentium g4560 or ryzen 5 1600? Will I use all potential of that ryzen? Or will it be bottlenecked by gpu so it is unnecessary to buy that expensive cpu? Thanks for answers

[Talkie Toaster]

Depends what other games you play, the Ryzen 5 1600 seems to be similar in gaming performance to the i5 7500 but it makes up ground in multi threaded loads. It seems like a decent CPU for the money.

Assetto Corsa does seem to make use of many threads, with Intel at least.

[Audax]

A ryzen is more future proof, maybe with an Assetto Corsa 2 a pentium won't be enough and you have the same dilemma again. I have an i5 4690k and I don't see any need to get another one in the next years. But you should know that the motheboard need to be changed too depending the cpu you choose.

[KuBr0]

I'd say keep on saving as long as this rig is serving you well. Your GPU is from 2013, comparable to a GTX 760 which isn't really a beast of a card and CPU is from 2009. As long as its still serving you, rather save up for a whole new rig than going to upgrade this.

I was in a similar position not long ago. I had an i7 870 from 2009 which was still doing an excellent job a year ago, first paired, when I got the rig back in 2010 with a GTX 570. I then upgraded it with a GTX 770 and later with a GTX 970 (all MSI gaming editions). Even with the GTX 970, the intel was really doing fine. I had a slight bottleneck with the GTX 770, the GPU wasn't running on it full potential, where the GTX 970 was even more of an overkill, but it still did boost my FPS and I was always able to enjoy latest titles @60FPS on highest settings without issues. The only games the rig had tourble with, were the ones which were taxing the CPU a lot, like AC with a full grid of AI. This was actually also the reason I decided to go for a full upgrade and got myself an i7 6700 paired with a 1080 and with DDR4 Rams. On the old machine, AC was running fine, on almost highest settings @full HD, but there was some stutter at 32 slot norde servers in pits and also with the AI, which was driving me nuts. I'm sure I'll be able to upgrade the graphics card once or twice on my new rig every 2 years till it will need a complete replacement, since there arent a lot of games which heavily need your CPU and all of its threads, which kinda is a shame ...

My two cents, dont upgrade now, wait it out, use it as far as possible and then ditch the whole thing and get a new one with a future. Banging money into this @this stage would be like throwing your money out of the window. We're not rich enough to afford cheap stuff, you ever heard that? ;)

[kmanitou81]

You will be upgrading that 270x no matter what sooner than you think, so might as well get a good Ryzen. In the meantime you can lower the number of cars to improve the performance.

[nicelub]

Originally posted by KuBr0:

We're not rich enough to afford cheap stuff, you ever heard that? ;)

Yeah I know what you mean :) And because of that, I am considering that ryzen 5 1600. I am thinking that it will improve my game performance instantly (even with my old gpu for now) and it will be good cpu for many years to come. So I can easily upgrade gpu later. Or am I wrong and is really better to wait and buy whole new computer later?

[KuBr0]

well, I'd say theres only 2 factors which you should consider. Do you need the upgrade that badly, that you wouldnt be able to save more money in the next 1 year or 2 years and wait it out with the rig that you have? Waiting vs upgrading right now. If you're able to wait and upgrade everything at the same time, the machine will defo have more longevity compared to when you would upgrade now. If you upgrade right now and the GPU later, the CPU will be outdated (even if its just a bit), which will show in the longer run.

So dunno which way you'd like to go, but as far as I am concerned, as I also have done so, I'd rather save up some more and upgrade everything @ one time. It all depends you know, and you're the one knowing whats the best for you, so your call ;) One way or the other, best of luck with whichever way you decide to go.

[ivor_bign]

its all about the socket mate.

if im not mistaken your current cpu is FM3 socket, which means the 'socket' on your motherboard can fit cpus that are FM3 socket.

intel are completely different and unfortunatly the ryzen you are looking at is AM4 socket, totally different again.

so as far as i can see you got 2 choices, you can find a faster FM3 socket cpu and hope its enough (it should be if you buy the right one)

OR

you can buy a new motherboard with the correct socket for the cpu you fancy the most.

but i will just add (cos it sounds like you are unsure) you dont have any similar restrictions with gpus, just about any gpu will fit any mobo.

[nicelub]

Yes I know that with cpu I must also buy new motherboard :) I just down know which way to go :) new cpu with new mobo and ram or some old cpu which is better than mine and will add some performance for AC. Or third option buy better gpu. But what if I buy some good gpu (say rx580) and it will be bottlenecked by my old cpu? :D

[ivor_bign]

it will be bottlenecked for sure mate. AC can be quite cpu intensive (lots of physics calculations and such) i know this myself cos i have a 4.0ghz 8 core AMD jobby (fx8??? cant remember the numbers, cant be arsed to look) and a R9 390 running a vr and i used to get stuttering when there was lots going on under the car (sliding, curbs, that kind of thing) i then bought an after market water cpu cooler (best buy ive made in a while) and overclocked my cpu to a stable 4.9ghz. AC now no longer stutters no matter how full the grid is.

so the point to my ramblings is yes if you dont upgrade your cpu in some way your AC will struggle.

unfortunatly i cant give an informmed opinion on what cpu to buy cos i havent done enough reading about the new AMD jobbies but i will just say i have been building my own and friends pc for a long time now and ive always gone AMD/ATI and always had the (slightly) slower pc to similar intel/nvidia builds that ive done (much to my disgust). i wont ever have an AMD/ATI build for myself again. all intel and nvidia for me from now on. at the end of the day intel cost more and you get what you pay for in this world, no matter what bumf AMD spout about their latest offering and its been like that for years with these 2 companies. take that however you will, just my 2 pennies worth.

good luck

[bozont_svk]

it depends on how much money are you willing to spend on it ......

[ivor_bign]

just had a thought, maybe look at an after market cpu cooler and overclock teh ♥♥♥♥ out fo your cpu till you make it go pop then buy the new rig when everyone has figured out if the new AMD cpus are all that? and if you get the right cooler you can take it on to your new build and overclock that.

http://www.corsair.com/en-gb/hydro-series-h100-extreme-performance-liquid-cpu-cooler

thats what i got, bit of case modding to get it fitted and you could make your current cpu sing.

[robytoo]

Depend on what you are looking for ; simulation wise you need cpu because of physics and calculations, AI (solo racing) and controllers. Graphic cards will impact visuals that has not great importance driving at high speed ( shadows, special lightnings, etc.). So, on my point of view, minimise your graphics that is not relevant to racing ( get 60 fps all time) and get the fastest cpu for your present motherboard (old cpu way cheaper) and like one said wait and save money to upgrade your full system in 2 years or so ... my 2 cents

[Mondyrocks]

I've recently upgraded from a haswell i5 (4670K) to a Ryzen 5 1600.
My Ryzen is running at 3.6ghz, my i5 was running at 3.8ghz.
The Ryzen runs about 20 degrees cooler, just on the bog standard wraithspire cooler.
It's running assetto wonderfully well in vr, first impressions is it's running it better than my old i5.

I upgraded to amd, rather than intel, mainly for the price.
Intel are, basically, robbing b'stards and for the price the Ryzen 5 was a no brainer.
I do quite a bit of photography editing and the Ryzen is miles better where that's concerned.

If I were you I'd go for the Ryzen 5 now BUT you will need a new board and you will need DDR4 ram and Windows 10!

[Simon said EAT DUST PLAYER_1 !]

I would not consider a phenom-II 955 insufficient as of yet. But I am partial here as I upgraded from a 955 to a 5820k and kept the old HD5770 at first. Back then I saw zero benefits from within Assetto Corsa.
That however was about 2 years ago, with some major overhauls to the sim-engine in-between. So chances are, your cpu is even less of a hindrance than it would have been 2 years ago.

I am guessing, you'd see far more return on investment simply by getting a faster and more efficient graphics-card - although: chances are the visual upgrades won't be that much of a step up, talking specifically about this game here.

In my case I could not get a solid 60fps out of my HD5770 no matter what I tried in the settings. No matter the cpu, the performance was perceivably identical. Only the r9 390 I put in afterwards changed the situation. People freak out too much over cpu-performance with this sim. While it might be factually true that other games tax the cpu far, far less, I reckon the truth - as always - to be found between the lines.

[Supfu]

The 955 is still capable today. Mine is still going today paired with a R9 280x. I did have to overclock to 4ghz to push the 280x properly. I play almost everything on high settings @1080p 60fps. Bought this chip back in 2010 lol. Not bad for almost 8 years