Real Automatic Transmision

[Carlos P.L.]

I miss a real Automatic Transmision Mode in AC

We all know Automatic Transmision in AC is not real and it does not pretend it, Automatic Mode in AC is just for Lazy Guys who does not want to press a key/paddle or move a Stick ;)

We have many Automatic Transmision in AC, like S Tronic, DKG, DCT 7, and now PDK

I do not think that it would be really hard to create it, it would be something similar to the Automatic Mode that AC already has by default but with some changes like not cutitng gas while changing, kick down acording to Throttle and some other factors and Automatic Gearing Up when Trottle % is low and engine can keep the Upper Gear if you are going up hill it would automatic kick down, is all about RPM Torque Power....

You could change to Secuential Mode or Automatic Mode in game like in real life

[Nepstah]

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[silvanob2]

+1

[Major Issue]

That might be interesting. I think they modelled other systems too so why not this one when some real cars have this ability.

[Carlos P.L.]

I am not alone

[Drisq Kivuli]

Its a racing simulator, auto transmission is a disadvantage. It would be pointless to put effort into something that is of little use. If you're driving in traffic, auto transmission quite helpful, beyond that its pointless as AC isn't a driving in traffic simulaotr. Being able to switch it on the fly would be novelty, nothing more.

Adding features costs time, time requires money. You also have to factor in when features are added they typically break something else. More time and money is required to fix the things that were broken by the new features.

As a result you have to weigh the usefulness of a thing versus the money and time required to add it versus the advantages you gain by adding such a feature.

Beyond novelty there are no advantages to adding a switchable on the fly sequential to automatic transmission. Beyond the fact that as I stated earlier, auto trans offers no advantage while racing and driving at speed. Unless that is you're concerned about conserving virtual fuel! hahah

If you require auto transmission its easy enough to check the box before heading out on the track.

cheers !

[freeman2344]

Originally posted by Nakadai:

Its a racing simulator, auto transmission is a disadvantage. It would be pointless to put effort into something that is of little use. If you're driving in traffic, auto transmission quite helpful, beyond that its pointless as AC isn't a driving in traffic simulaotr. Being able to switch it on the fly would be novelty, nothing more.

Adding features costs time, time requires money. You also have to factor in when features are added they typically break something else. More time and money is required to fix the things that were broken by the new features.

As a result you have to weigh the usefulness of a thing versus the money and time required to add it versus the advantages you gain by adding such a feature.

Beyond novelty there are no advantages to adding a switchable on the fly sequential to automatic transmission. Beyond the fact that as I stated earlier, auto trans offers no advantage while racing and driving at speed. Unless that is you're concerned about conserving virtual fuel! hahah

If you require auto transmission its easy enough to check the box before heading out on the track.

cheers !

Eh. Auto transmission is a disadvantage? Depends. Many of these new DCTs are very, very smart. PDK first and foremost. I've owned a 997 for 3 years (though manual) and attended quite a lot of track days. The PDK people as well as instructors would always keep the transmission in Sport Plus mode with automatic shifting - nobody used the paddles. In fact, most 997s don't even have the paddles, they have buttons on the steering wheel, the paddles are an extra option. It's an interesting sensation to have the car "foresee" what you're about to do, especially on the track. I find the behavior of such transmissions very interesting and though I do miss my stick, the ZF8HP in my F-Type R is also very smart about picking the right gears during spirited driving.

It's certainly a lot of effort to simulate this behavior as these modes are fed by an extremely high number of inputs in the real world, but it would really take Assetto Corsa to the next level as regards simulation as this has never really been done before, similar to how AC models different levels of traction control.

It may not be worth the effort, but it's a cool idea still.

[Drisq Kivuli]

When I say auto transmission I mean hands off, car changes gear for you. I am very much aware of the advtanges of PDK, DCT ,etc.

[freeman2344]

Originally posted by Nakadai:

When I say auto transmission I mean hands off, car changes gear for you. I am very much aware of the advtanges of PDK, DCT ,etc.

Yes, but in automatic Sport Plus mode with the PDK, the car will also shift gears for you in a manner that is pretty much perfect on the track, there is really no need for manual intervention at all.

With DCTs, it's not just about the speed of the gear changes, but the underlying shift strategy as well.

[Talkie Toaster]

The modern auto's are definitely better than they were say 10-15 years ago, I've driven the new XJ and Range Rover Sports etc and they are impressive, but I don't see the point in having kickdown and economy shifts in Assetto Corsa really unless you for some reason just want to pootle around, which isn't what this sim is all about.

The last game I played that had all of those features was Interstate '76, it had kick down and the gears would shift early or late depending on throttle position and it really did feel like you were driving something like a pants old volvo estate or whatever. You can get it on GOG if you want to try it out, it is seriously old skool graphics wise though.

[Carlos P.L.]

Originally posted by Gen. Leopold von Flockenstuffen:

The modern auto's are definitely better than they were say 10-15 years ago, I've driven the new XJ and Range Rover Sports etc and they are impressive, but I don't see the point in having kickdown and economy shifts in Assetto Corsa really unless you for some reaon just want to pootle around, which isn't what this sim is all about.

The last game I played that had all of those features was Interstate '76, it had kick down and the gears would shift early or late depending on throttle position and it really did feel like you were driving something like a pants old volvo estate or something. You can get it on GOG if you want to try it out, it is seriously old skool graphics wise though.

Euro Truck Simulator/American truck simulator has realistic gear boxes with their kicks down and gearing up

[Talkie Toaster]

Originally posted by CarlosP.L.:

Originally posted by Gen. Leopold von Flockenstuffen:

The modern auto's are definitely better than they were say 10-15 years ago, I've driven the new XJ and Range Rover Sports etc and they are impressive, but I don't see the point in having kickdown and economy shifts in Assetto Corsa really unless you for some reaon just want to pootle around, which isn't what this sim is all about.

The last game I played that had all of those features was Interstate '76, it had kick down and the gears would shift early or late depending on throttle position and it really did feel like you were driving something like a pants old volvo estate or something. You can get it on GOG if you want to try it out, it is seriously old skool graphics wise though.

Euro Truck Simulator/American truck simulator has realistic gear boxes with their kicks down and gearing up

I own ETS2 but must confess I just drive around everywhere full throttle in manual so never noticed lol

[Mr Crisp]

The real question is why would you want to hand over yet another piece of mechanical control of the car from the driver to the car?

Why would anyone want to race around a track but then use automatic gears? Might as well let the car do the circuit for you and just sit there. Track based driving is about having more control over a car than day to day driving, not less, surely?

The amount of work each car would need to replicate its actions under auto gearing if the car supports it, would me monumental and take resources away from all the other things that are more important to be done in Assetto Corsa.

Automatic gearing option for supported cars was brought up years ago and promptly died down because it didn't happen then and i'm certain it will not happen at all now.

[Talkie Toaster]

Originally posted by Mr Crisp:

The real question is why would you want to hand over yet another piece of mechanical control of the car from the driver to the car?

Why would anyone want to race around a track but then use automatic gears? Might as well let the car do the circuit for you and just sit there. Track based driving is about having more control over a car than day to day driving, not less, surely?

The amount of work each car would need to replicate its actions under auto gearing if the car supports it, would me monumental and take resources away from all the other things that are more important to be done in Assetto Corsa.

Automatic gearing option for supported cars was brought up years ago and promptly died down because it didn't happen then and i'm certain it will not happen at all now.

Yeah I've never been on the track in an auto, but I imagine it's awful. The things people ask to be included in Assetto Corsa are pretty strange, it honestly wouldn't surprise me if people have asked for electric windows, heated seats and child seats.

[freeman2344]

Originally posted by Gen. Leopold von Flockenstuffen:

Originally posted by Mr Crisp:

The real question is why would you want to hand over yet another piece of mechanical control of the car from the driver to the car?

Why would anyone want to race around a track but then use automatic gears? Might as well let the car do the circuit for you and just sit there. Track based driving is about having more control over a car than day to day driving, not less, surely?

The amount of work each car would need to replicate its actions under auto gearing if the car supports it, would me monumental and take resources away from all the other things that are more important to be done in Assetto Corsa.

Automatic gearing option for supported cars was brought up years ago and promptly died down because it didn't happen then and i'm certain it will not happen at all now.

Yeah I've never been on the track in an auto, but I imagine it's awful. The things people ask to be included in Assetto Corsa are pretty strange, it honestly wouldn't surprise me if people have asked for electric windows, heated seats and child seats.

As I said, it's not completely retarded to ask for this. I agree that it should be low priority, but in the real world, you'll find that most people who drive current sports cars on the track are running autos. Heck, few cars in the 500+ hp range even offer manuals anymore (basically only the Z06). The majority of people who track their 911s are running PDK and, as I said, most never even touch the paddles. I'd say it's the same for most R8 or even GTR owners, though I do believe that the GTR transmission software is inferior to what PDK has to offer. DCTs are vastly superior for track work, though manuals are undeniably more fun. I do miss my manual 997.

[Johnnie Concrete]

Maybe someone could make a mod but I dont think Kunos is going to put it in.