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deaconw Oct 29, 2017 @ 3:30pm
Are all tracks covered in bacon grease? Or is it just the 1M? OR IS IT MY CRAPPY WHEEL!
Yes I have read the threads about how realistic the simulation is on this game and I am sure I will get flamed as a "N00b"...but I wonder how model specific the realism is because I own a BMW 135i that is tuned to 350+HP and has some track mods. I have also been on an actual track a number of times with that car and the 1M model in the game slips and slides a LOT compared to my real life 135i. Seems to be independent of track as well so I am honing in on the car. However, if I get in the Z4 GT3, it seems to hold the road much better (and yes, I realize it is setup for that much better than the 1M) but I have no real world comparison for that. Anyway, I am just using this game to hone my track chops for next season so don't really care about how "well" am doing per se, but man,I wish my preferred car responded in a predictable *nearly* realistic way to be useful for that. Anyway. Just wondering if there is a "these cars are more realistic than others" list and I will just migrate to the most realistic cars. I don't mind adapting to the sim, but after playing a bit it just seems "off" enough to be annoying. Thx.
Last edited by deaconw; Nov 3, 2017 @ 4:46pm
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Mr Crisp Oct 29, 2017 @ 3:51pm 
Depends on what mods you have that you are comparing to the one in game.

Theres a stock 1M and the stage 3 version. Tyre compound and temps make a big difference as well as track temp. If you drove on a real track during a hot summer and you are driving in AC on a much colder track, it will matter.

How were you driving on the real track, did you really take your own 1M to its absolute limit? Its much easier to do this in AC with a lot of sensations of being in a real car missing so you're probably driving the car in game a lot harder than you did in real life.

You can also setup the car to have less rear sliding by adjust it in the pit.
deaconw Oct 29, 2017 @ 4:29pm 
Thx for the reply.

Thinking about it, I think your observations about the lack of "real" sensations is a big part I hadn't fully considered. One thing I have been experimenting with is FOV to try to get that part right (I have triple monitors) . I actually think the "autoPOV" is pretty close.

I normally drive with ABS and TC on (BMW club requires it) but have now turned off all aids to see if that is helping or hurting. For the record, I rarely hit ABS on the track and only occassionally hit TC. Truthfully, I use them as "hey, dummy, you are getting close to a limit" lights. ;)

I've decided to practice Imola for a while as my high speed braking seems to be the major issue for me right now.

My car has upgraded intake, FMIC, stage 2+ custom tune, camber plates. I am setting up the 1M as close to my car as I can (I use the S3). Camber is interesting because there is the number on the sliders, and the number to the right. Not sure why they are different but I am setting the slider on the left to make the display on the right set to my actual camber.

I also think I know enough now to look for a better wheel and pedal set (this is an Xbox set that was gathering dust). Heck, this may be my primary issue. I just wanted to get some hours in the game before I changed anything.

WRT limits, No, I was never pushing to the limits in my own car. One session in the rain did feel kinda like Asseto dry tho! ;)

The actual track days were generally mild in the PNW(The Ridge and Pacific Raceways were the two tracks). I've been trying to do more research on the tire temp in game (on my actual car I had an instructor teach me to let about 4 psi out to get better traction and allow room for my tires to heat up to ~36psi. To be clear, I am no expert...on a real track or on this game. Just want something to scratch the itch until next spring. ;)

WRT tire temp...I have been playing with lowering air pressures and using the heaters to start out green, but no matter how I drive, they will cool to blue. Of course, all the advice I see is "drive harder"...but that is just getting me to run into things more often, apparently. My real life car doesn't have these helpful indicators...;)

Anyway, back to my original question...are there "more realistic" cars in the game or are they all pretty "real" and I should just keep figuring out the 1M? Or maybe I should just drive the Z4 GT3...that one stays on the track more for me...;)
Frogster 🐸 Oct 29, 2017 @ 4:31pm 
Z4 GT3 is race car with tons of downforce and slick tyres, 1M is street car with no downforce or slicks.
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deaconw Oct 29, 2017 @ 4:35pm 
Originally posted by Hemuli:
Z4 GT3 is race car with tons of downforce and slick tyres, 1M is street car with no downforce or slicks.

Totally agree, however, the 1M also goes a lot slower. ;)

My issue is comparison to a real world similar car and, to me, it's "off". I just want it to feel close to how my car feels so I can get some useful training with it. Am still reading forums to improve the experience. Need to hold some variables while I tweak others...
Drisq Kivuli Oct 29, 2017 @ 6:13pm 
BMW 1M - Assetto Corsa vs Real-life


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gJCNynaoYA
Drisq Kivuli Oct 29, 2017 @ 6:52pm 
Also be sure to allow for atleast 2 laps for your tires to heat up, equalizing the hot tire pressures will help as well
deaconw Oct 29, 2017 @ 6:56pm 
Originally posted by Nakadai:
BMW 1M - Assetto Corsa vs Real-life


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gJCNynaoYA


Pretty impressive. WIsh you could see the wheel and pedal inputs on the AC version. I still see the RL video as more planted. A good example is at 0:56...AC becomes unstable and somehow the driver save it...no such issue with the RL driver. And, in my experience, I have had almost no luck saving it in AC like the driver does at 0:56. For one, I am going to replace my wheel and see if that helps.

Interestingly, I just swapped to the stock 1M and it "feels" more stable to me. Maybe a power delivery thing. I can't seem to find a setting to adjust pedal linearity...

Which map pack is that track in?
deaconw Oct 29, 2017 @ 6:57pm 
Originally posted by Nakadai:
Also be sure to allow for atleast 2 laps for your tires to heat up, equalizing the hot tire pressures will help as well

Heh...I have been starting with heated tires...then watch them cool down...;) There is definitely a skill factor on my part here...I am no race car driver! I am just trying to resolve why my real car seems to be a lot more capable than the AC car.
Drisq Kivuli Oct 29, 2017 @ 8:42pm 
Originally posted by deaconw:
Originally posted by Nakadai:
BMW 1M - Assetto Corsa vs Real-life


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gJCNynaoYA


Pretty impressive. WIsh you could see the wheel and pedal inputs on the AC version. I still see the RL video as more planted. A good example is at 0:56...AC becomes unstable and somehow the driver save it...no such issue with the RL driver. And, in my experience, I have had almost no luck saving it in AC like the driver does at 0:56. For one, I am going to replace my wheel and see if that helps.

Interestingly, I just swapped to the stock 1M and it "feels" more stable to me. Maybe a power delivery thing. I can't seem to find a setting to adjust pedal linearity...

Which map pack is that track in?

Track in video is a mod track

Im using a G29 with a custom LUT file that removes the deadzone, tightens the wheel a bit although still allows for to me feel the road surface and what the tires are doing.

I've driven the 1M at reduced grip levels with no problems. I only drive the stock 1M , the stage 3 version has adjustable turbo and increased HP. Obviously with more HP and turbo at 100 percent your expreince will vary greatly from the stock version.

1M stage 3 has 60 more HP than the stock 1M and 80nm more torque. This is considerably more HP than your 135i so it makes sense driving the stock 1M would feel more planted in comparison to the S3 version.

1M is know to be a twitchy car , add more HP and torque and things will just get worse, hahah
Last edited by Drisq Kivuli; Oct 29, 2017 @ 8:50pm
Drisq Kivuli Oct 29, 2017 @ 8:51pm 
This might be the version used in the video.

http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/hungaroring.2577/
deaconw Oct 29, 2017 @ 8:58pm 
Originally posted by Nakadai:
Track in video is a mod track

Im using a G29 with a custom LUT file that removes the deadzone, tightens the wheel a bit although still allows for to me feel the road surface and what the tires are doing.

I've driven the 1M at reduced grip levels with no problems. I only drive the stock 1M , the stage 3 version has adjustable turbo and increased HP. Obviously with more HP and turbo at 100 percent your expreince will vary greatly from the stock version.

1M stage 3 has 60 more HP than the stock 1M and 80nm more torque. This is considerably more HP than your 135i so it makes sense driving the stock 1M would feel more planted in comparison to the S3 version.

1M is know to be a twitchy car , add more HP and torque and things will just get worse, hahah

Thx. I definitely have a new wheel/pedals on my list.

My 135i is modded to about 380HP/400TQ. ;) I also find it pretty stable, not twitchy at all. One of the things i am seeing is that when my real car starts to have the rear lose grip I can just let off the gas a little bit and it stabilizes...in AC, no matter what I do when the rear gets loose...the car goes off the rails. Looking at the throttle "slider" it seems to be less smooth than I'd like...but there is no adjustment. I am hoping a decent set of wheel/pedal will improve on that.

deaconw Oct 29, 2017 @ 8:58pm 
Originally posted by Nakadai:
This might be the version used in the video.

http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/hungaroring.2577/

Cool, Thx!
Drisq Kivuli Oct 29, 2017 @ 9:16pm 
Originally posted by deaconw:
Originally posted by Nakadai:
This might be the version used in the video.

http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/hungaroring.2577/

Cool, Thx!

What track were you driving the 1M and haivng traction issues ?
guidofoc Oct 29, 2017 @ 9:27pm 
There is a great app called Pro Tyres, you can find it on racedepartment.com it shows what is the gap from optimal tire pressure and a ton of other info.
cyclicbug Oct 29, 2017 @ 9:56pm 
Originally posted by deaconw:
Thx for the reply.


I also think I know enough now to look for a better wheel and pedal set (this is an Xbox set that was gathering dust). Heck, this may be my primary issue. I just wanted to get some hours in the game before I changed anything.

;)

I had an old xbox 360 wheel and from memory the rotation was only 270 degrees, and the ffb is very limited in power and detail. I agree this may be a large part of the problem for you.

What is the lock to lock rotation on your bmw? AC adjusts the rotation based on the car being used, you should invest in a new wheel that has at least that to get a 1:1 relationship in the game, a minimum should be 900 degrees.

There are a lot of good mid to high end wheels around at the moment to choose from, i went from the xbox thru DFGT, g27 and currently a trusty T500 and each time there was a step up in performance and feel, next up for me would be direct drive ( osw or fanatec ) and if you have the funds this would give you the best chance of getting close to rl .

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