Where are the tuning settings?

[Tre']

I've played racing sims thoroughly in the past, but I'm new to the game and in Assetto Corsa the tuning settings are confusing. I'll search YouTube for some drifting tunes, and the video will clearly display suspension, gear, and various other settings. Yet I can't find those same settings in-game. I'll try to find suspension settings to adjust ride height but suspension is just not there in the options. So what gives? I have to unlock certain tuning options or does it all depend on the car? Either way, it's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in my opinion. I've played for 2 days now and still can't find critical tuning options.

[Barathrum]

"So yeah, jump ship pal, let's see if Project Cars serves you better in the unrealistic tuning options department... Spoiler alert: it won't, what you're looking for is simply not in the simulator branch of games, and for you to bail out of simulation games is a minor issue for Kunos they're well aware that it's not a game for the masses."

I came from LFS and I'm extremely disappointed with the limited options in tuning...As for unrealistic tuning options....I've cut a friend's AE86 steering rack before...I've changed valve springs, welded my diff, got the occasional "is your car ok" trying to park in a lot. Don't tell me what is unrealistic and realistic.

[clairvoyantwolf]

Originally posted by Folger419:

If you go buy an RX-7(which Im actually here on my search as to why I cant turn its turbo down lower) and choose to cut this and weld that to make it more "suitable" thats your choice and the catastrophic failures that may result are also yours. You would probably be barred from many if not all Raceways and private tracks that discovered your modifications. Kunos is not simulating such an RX-7 and if the Mazda wouldnt push it that far you probably shouldnt either. And Kunos would be doing a disservice to everyone involved if they made it an option. That said welcome to the land of no magic need for speed ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

I know this is a response to a poster who revived a long dead thread, but I have to say something about this. This is probably the stupidest post in the history of this forum.

Almost every car that tracks more than a couple of times is modified. My car (a C5 corvette) has an aftermarket radiator with a oil cooler. Stock the car gets to ~290 oil temp after only a few laps. Even for a "stock" car the SCCA STILL allows you to change shocks, a antiroll bar, and even add a cat back exhaust. I'd like to get a big brake kit as the stock brakes are completely inadequate. C5s are notorious for cracking brake rotors. To fit larger rotors I'd have to get larger aftermarket wheels. Most guys just put Z06 rims front and rear to take the understeer out of the chassis. But larger rims and a change in brake caliper would put me in modified class where I'd get kill, so no dice.

Anyway, the first question to another track guy is usually "what have you done to it?" NO ONE IS STOCK. Hell, most guys rip off those expensive carbon ceramic brake packages and replace them with aftermarket steel brakes for cost. If you want to track a convertible (S2000 or Miata), you have to add an aftermarket roll bar. Mazda (or anyone else for that matter) doesn't push their cars that far because they aren't in the business of selling track cars. Track cars make pretty crappy street cars. Race cars overheat if you let it sit and idle long enough. Street cars don't because they have fans to give airflow across their radiators. Fans impede airflow at racing speeds.

And no, you aren't kicked off of all raceways and private tracks if you have a mechanical problem or if you are discovered to have modified your car (laughable). I had a STOCK 991 911 Carrera S drop coolant all over the track. The BMW in front of me almost ate the wall because of it. I noticed the flagger and slowed down enough to make it a none issue. I also saw a STOCK new Mustang GT blow its clutch and was parked on the side of the track (local yellow). Neither driver was kicked out of the event.

AC is a very realistic sim. I've defended it many times. However, in terms of representing the cars as they are actually prepared on track nothing beat Forza.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FRO_SCg4jw

This is a C5Z06 with a LS7, 3.73 rear end, coilovers, racing brakes. Guy says he out accelerates McLaren 675s. That is the reality of tracking a sports car. NOT how AC presents it. And that is why most people don't track Ferrari's and McLarens. You'll be faster in a modded 20K C5 Z06 or S2000.

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Originally posted by Mammimakeoutday:

I came from LFS and I'm extremely disappointed with the limited options in tuning...As for unrealistic tuning options....I've cut a friend's AE86 steering rack before...I've changed valve springs, welded my diff, got the occasional "is your car ok" trying to park in a lot. Don't tell me what is unrealistic and realistic.

By "unrealistic" is meant any setup change that would be impossible to do on a stock car.
keyword: stock.
AC cars don't contemplate the replacement of parts in their setup options, they either have stock cars or cars that already have been modified (the various S1/S2/S3/Drift/... versions).
Call it a shortcoming, but tbh it would almost be impossible to allow extensive part customisation and still guarantee real world handling, it's just too difficult to do, as every possible combination would need to be tested on the real thing as well (since that's the level of care that has gone in most of the available cars).
There are a few already modded, and some of them do allow greater setup freedom than their stock counterparts, but that's it.
If you're not happy with the official cars look into mods, as for them strict realism is mostly not an absolute requirement.

Originally posted by clairvoyantwolf:

AC is a very realistic sim. I've defended it many times. However, in terms of representing the cars as they are actually prepared on track nothing beat Forza.

Yup, see above, forza can just slap on random parts, change the handling parameters a bit, and call it a day without any concern if that handling is in any way close to the real thing.
Thats why simcades can provide insane levels of modding while you'll never find any respectable driving simulator doing the same.
The farthest they'll go is some easy to simulate stuff like a welded diff, but whole damn new suspensions? Not worth the huge effort, simply put.

Originally posted by clairvoyantwolf:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FRO_SCg4jw
This is a C5Z06 with a LS7, 3.73 rear end, coilovers, racing brakes. Guy says he out accelerates McLaren 675s. That is the reality of tracking a sports car. NOT how AC presents it. And that is why most people don't track Ferrari's and McLarens. You'll be faster in a modded 20K C5 Z06 or S2000.

Hmmm most people simply can't afford to potentially trash Ferraris and McLarens, simply owning one of those is hugely expensive, let alone prepping it for track or, god forbid, modding it. So yeah, I think that flagging "modded Z06/S2000 is faster" as THE reason is quite misleading...
For equal investment sure, but because it's car vs. dunno maybe a ferrari branded keychain, lul.

[clairvoyantwolf]

Originally posted by Komi:

Yup, see above, forza can just slap on random parts, change the handling parameters a bit, and call it a day without any concern if that handling is in any way close to the real thing.
Thats why simcades can provide insane levels of modding while you'll never find any respectable driving simulator doing the same.
The farthest they'll go is some easy to simulate stuff like a welded diff, but whole damn new suspensions? Not worth the huge effort, simply put.

Hey, never said it was "easy" to simulate. Just if you wanted to build a reasonable approximation to your car in Forza it is possible. In AC it is not. A simcade approximation of a 3rd gen Camaro with racing brakes and a LS3 in Forza beats the car, let alone that combination, not existing at all in AC. I love AC, but I still play Forza 4 for a reason (I also still play Need for Speed III, so what does that tell you).

Originally posted by Komi:

Hmmm most people simply can't afford to potentially trash Ferraris and McLarens, simply owning one of those is hugely expensive, let alone prepping it for track or, god forbid, modding it. So yeah, I think that flagging "modded Z06/S2000 is faster" as THE reason is quite misleading...
For equal investment sure, but because it's car vs. dunno maybe a ferrari branded keychain, lul.

You need to hang around the Ferrari and McLaren forums, it is a regular topic of discussion there. I've tracked with the PCA several times and quite a few of those guys could track a Ferrari or McLaren if they wanted to. Few do.

At least in the United States what cars are actually tracked fall into a few distinct groups.

Low HP: Civic, FRS/Miata, S2000, Lotus/Cayman

High HP: Corvette/Porsche

Sedan: Camaro/Mustang, BMW

Ex Race Cars

The reason why I break them out is simple. Most car guys are very tribal. Guys who like balanced handling and high reving engines usually start out in a Miata of FRS and lust after a Lotus or Cayman. Guys who like big power gravitate towards Corvette or Porsche as is their preference. People who need something a little more practical (backseat) drive BMWs or pony cars. The really serious people that realize how stupid it is to track street cars just buy an already built race car and be done with it.

The reason why people don't track exotics is because how financially stupid it is to track suck a car, even if they could afford to. Ignoring street cars. An ex T1 SCCA race car is about 40K. That car WILL be faster than a stock Ferrari. It WILL also be cheaper to run. And unlike a Ferrari its resale value won't go into the basement the moment it touches a track. For the 250K a Ferrari 488 will set you back, even just talking completely stock cars, you could get a ZR1 or GT3 plus a truck and trailer to haul the car and be just as fast for less. If you get a GT3 you could track it a year or so and turn around and sell it for almost as much as you purchased it for. THAT is why people have no problem tracking them.

Once again hang around Ferrari forums especially. There are guys on there EMBARRASSED to admit to their friends they even own a Ferrari, as Ferrari in their minds has turned into a rich guy poser brand. There are guys on there who hate new Ferraris, calling them numb and souless, and prefer to only buy old Ferraris. Porsche threw their purists a bone with the 911R for a reason.

[clairvoyantwolf]

Originally posted by Folger419:

That said I simply pointed out that you can choose to cut this and weld that, you choice. It might break in operation, and you might die or become severely injured(possibly permanently) in car accident. Especially if you arent familiar with engineering, car mechanics specific to your vehicle and possess other applied labour skills. But it is after all your choice. You, clairevoyant, have "aftermarket" product where all the engineering has been done already and you simply need to install it correctly, or pay some qualified mechanic to install it correctly. Further I pointed out the privately owned and/or official tracks might bar you for such a modification(not as in ban you), a specific example would be if your modification was not built(DIY) within the metalergical tolerances of the other metals and forces to be exerted on the metal(like if you ♥♥♥♥ it up) or if you installed hardware which simply cant be approved for use(it might be due to obvious flaws in the forging of the hardware which should have made you wonder why its so cheap).

My god just shut up.

The vast overwhelming majority of aftermarket parts for cars are utter junk. There I said it.

Stiffer = better handling

Louder = HP

Better braking bite = better fade resistance

In the aftermarket, such is sacrosanct. In reality...it's complicated

People spend a lot of money on their cars and want to think every thing they are doing is making the car better. It is mostly a placebo effect.

As example of a well engineered product, I mentioned I have an upgraded radiator and oil cooler for my car. It took several months of research to figure out which one to get. There are several "solutions." A standalone cooler with an upgraded radiator is the best option for most cooling capacity. Most racing C5s go that route. The problem is my car is not a race car. It is a street car that is tracked. A standalone oil cooler would make the oil too cold for driving in cold weather. I could live with that, but it shortens the lift of the engine. Or I could install a thermostat, which would only allow oil into the cooler when it was hot enough. The problem, though, with installing a thermostat is that it adds complexity to the cooling system. Basically meaning it is a part that can fail.

The other option, which I took, was to have the oil cooler built into the radiator itself. The question then is which side to place the oil cooler. The vast majority of radiators with a built in oil cooler place the cooler on the passenger side as it is easier to plumb. That creates another problem. (stated simply) The car's oil pump is trying to shove oil into the radiator. At high rpm (a la road racing) the radiator can't keep up with the demand so there is a possible oil pressure loss to the engine. The option I took has the cooler on the driver's side. The line from the engine to the cooler has a simple 10 psi bypass valve so at high rpm not all the oil is being sent to the radiator. The company that makes my radiator is the ONLY company that does this. Once again aftermarket products need to be well researched.

As for "metalergical tolerances" and it not being approved for use (once again laughable). Let's talk about seats. Most stock seats suck for track use (corvettes especially). Car safety devices are designed as a system, seats, airbags, belts, etc. If you change any piece of one you compromise the entire system. Thus if you change the seat of your car and nothing else your car is less safe than when it came from the factory. Most track drivers get an aftermarket seat and put in a harness bar (basically a metal bar behind them) with five point belts. ...Do you think any of that is crash tested? Just how safe, really, is an aftermarket wielded in harness bar. I'm not saying its not safe at all, I'm simply saying few if anyone has any data on this.

Yet, for all that, no one is kicked off track for an aftermarket harness bar. No one is kicked off track for an aftermarket roll bar. If I buy an expensive roll bar for a Miata or S2000 I doubt any of those companies actually rolled a Miata or S2000 at racing speeds to test.

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Originally posted by clairvoyantwolf:

Hey, never said it was "easy" to simulate. Just if you wanted to build a reasonable approximation to your car in Forza it is possible. In AC it is not. A simcade approximation of a 3rd gen Camaro with racing brakes and a LS3 in Forza beats the car, let alone that combination, not existing at all in AC. I love AC, but I still play Forza 4 for a reason (I also still play Need for Speed III, so what does that tell you).

It's on the "reasonable approximation" part we, and aparently most simulator developers as well, disagree on.
There's simply no guarantee whatsoever that what you're putting in the game is even a reasonable approximation at all. That's why no simulator that should *guarantee* a level of realism won't touch customisation.
With forza this concern doesn't exist, that's why they can do it.
And also that's why the "having anything beats not having it" argument kinda falls.
Free to disagree, of course, but then it's not a proper simulator you're looking for anymore.

Originally posted by clairvoyantwolf:

The reason why people don't track exotics is because how financially stupid it is to track suck a car, even if they could afford to. Ignoring street cars. An ex T1 SCCA race car is about 40K. That car WILL be faster than a stock Ferrari. It WILL also be cheaper to run. And unlike a Ferrari its resale value won't go into the basement the moment it touches a track. For the 250K a Ferrari 488 will set you back, even just talking completely stock cars, you could get a ZR1 or GT3 plus a truck and trailer to haul the car and be just as fast for less. If you get a GT3 you could track it a year or so and turn around and sell it for almost as much as you purchased it for. THAT is why people have no problem tracking them.

Yes of course, that as well, what you get back from your investment makes them even less desirable to track even by those who actually could afford to.
But still, it's not because they are slower by absolute terms, only relative to investment.

[clairvoyantwolf]

I'm telling you to "shut up" because you obviously have NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. Anyone who has been to the track once can tell you this. Long posts about argon and amps and blah, blah, blah, don't hide that fact.

Do you really think track day organizers put every car on a lift when they do a safety inspection and go over every single inch of it? How many welding experts do they employ to inspect all the welds of the car. I've driven with the SCCA and NASA, the two biggest club racing organizations in the US (I don't club race), and the most that they check is that you have 50% of brake pad material remaining. That your battery is secured. And that there is no play in the wheel bearings. That's about it.

Do you really think if someone wrecks that there is some sort of accident investigation. This is how it goes. Is the driver okay/alive. Get the car off the track. Make sure there are no fluids/debris on the track. Get back to racing. For track days or racing there is an assumed risk taken by the drivers. You sign a waiver for the organization that says they can not be held liable EVEN WHEN IT IS THEIR FAULT for death, injury, or damage to vehicle. And as soon as you get on the track you sign another wavier for the facility that says the same thing. NO ONE cares that you modified your car. NO ONE cares about the quality of your mods (your instructor might care because its his ass in the car). If there is any visible problem with your car on track you'll get a "meatball" flag, go back to the pits, and try and fix it. If you can't you go home. You aren't banned from the track.

Speaking of liability. I was once on track with the SCCA, and there was a car part laying in the middle of the track. The flagger didn't see it and didn't throw the flag. I managed to swerve out of the way, and then he threw the flag for the benefit of everyone else. But lets say I hit the part and damaged my car and even wrecked. Could I sue the SCCA. Nope.

Originally posted by Folger419:

I was also wondering if you are trying to tell me there is no organization in place to examine cars attempting to register for track certification and entry, and that even if they did exist they are not going to refuse your certification because you made a garbage car which is of such non-racing quality the inspector ran away from it in fear? Are you telling me that just any car no matter its condition may enter and race should they survive a qualifying? When your track buddies ask me what I did to my car and my answer is literally I picked it up from the junkyard this morning are they going to wish me good luck on the track and invite me to tail gate them in a draft?

First off a track day is not a race. There is no "qualifying." As for the rest of your especially stupid point in an especially stupid post. Look up 24 hrs of Lemons. Some pictures to help you along:


https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/buick-lemons-park-bench-ttac.jpg

http://www.roadkill.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Top-4.jpg

https://uptownalmanac.com/sites/default/files/styles/full-post-width/public/images-on-cdn/bens-stag-party-24-hrs-lemons.jpg

https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/napavalleyregister.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/1/c5/1c509a97-9b14-5c70-8f36-0a29ea7ff18e/58ddb1310958b.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C718

http://www.youdontknowjersey.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/LeMons27.jpg

https://dealeraccelerate-all.s3.amazonaws.com/rkm/marketing_assets/621/img_4976.jpg

Trust me I can keep going with more pictures.

YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!

[clairvoyantwolf]

Originally posted by Komi:

It's on the "reasonable approximation" part we, and aparently most simulator developers as well, disagree on.
There's simply no guarantee whatsoever that what you're putting in the game is even a reasonable approximation at all. That's why no simulator that should *guarantee* a level of realism won't touch customisation.
With forza this concern doesn't exist, that's why they can do it.
And also that's why the "having anything beats not having it" argument kinda falls.
Free to disagree, of course, but then it's not a proper simulator you're looking for anymore.

This is a discussion, there is no right or wrong. As I said I still play Need for Speed III. Even Forza 1 makes NFS3 look like a joke. Anyway, I can't say one way or another about why more developers do or do not include upgrade parts. Viper Racing did. You could take a street Viper and turn it into a race car over the course of the career mode. That sim only included one car, so I guess it was easy to do in that case. And I suspect that is the crux of the matter, complexity and cost. It takes time to figure out how all the upgraded parts for every combination for every car will interact. Once again, my guess.

Anyway, "proper simulator" is a moving target. As I've said on these forums. Sims today are generally more accurate than sims of yesterday and will generally be less accurate than sims of tomorrow. AC is, as far as I'm concerned, a "reasonable approximation" of reality, though I like it very much.

As example, in AC I mostly drive street cars. Most street cars can't survive extended track sessions without mods. In AC you can beat on every street car in the game and it won't complain other than tires and fuel. As a specific example, the Nissan 350Z did not come with brake ducts. In fact one magazine reviewer went off track due to boiling the brake fluid. Nissan responded by specing a higher heat capacity brake pad, but that is just a band aid. I don't know if the 370Z that is in the game actually has brake ducts (only care so much about Z cars), but if it doesn't you can still beat on that car for hours in AC and not have to worry about faded brakes.

Originally posted by Komi:

Yes of course, that as well, what you get back from your investment makes them even less desirable to track even by those who actually could afford to.
But still, it's not because they are slower by absolute terms, only relative to investment.

Here's the deal about tracking a sports car. Not everyone cares about going fast. Enthusiast mags and videos often talk about things no track guy cares about. Brand prestige means absolutely nothing. Styling also means nothing. Interior materials mean jack. In most cases it is all about the driving experience.

I personally like a well handling car with a lot of power and torque, so I'm a Vette guy. If I wanted a finely balanced machine that screams at high rpm I might be a Porsche guy. Or if I wanted something light and small that is all about maintaining speed I might be a Miata or FRS guy. I've autocross a ND Miata, it's a fun little car. I'd love to own one as a complement to my Vette, not as a replacement. Both offer a unique driving experience.

After that the next item is how much it cost to run. Ferrari and McLaren "may" offer a unique driving experience...at least till the C8 comes out (that experience being mid engined high power), but as I said they get killed in cost to run. So it works out like this. If you care about being the fastest guy on track you'll get something other than a Ferrari, there are other options for less. If you want to experience a Ferrari on track, you'll do it a couple times, realize how much it costs and either get something else or not bother. But if you REALLY want to track a Ferrari and have money you'll do actual racing in Ferrari Challenge. There is a reason why Ferrari is more interested selling Challenge cars instead of track specials.

[clairvoyantwolf]

Originally posted by Folger419:

First off I never said you would be "banned" from the track. I said you would be "barred from entry".

(really)

Ban
verb (used with object), banned, ban·ning.
1. to prohibit, forbid, or bar; interdict:

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/ban#

I also said if they were to discover it which on its own is an acknowledgement that some event has lead the track to question the integrity of your build. Such as sparks trailing a bit behind your ride because you suck and didnt have any idea which side of the wrench to attach to the bolt, so you used your fingers.

Completely stock cars fail on track. I have seen this personally. I listed two examples. No one gives a crap if your car is modded.

I did not say or imply the raceway must do each and every car that graces its pavement.

Every car gets a safety inspection or has a logged safety inspection good for the season. You have no idea what you're talking about.

I believe I made a direct reference to a third party which handles the inspection of cars centrally and it is based upon this third party that the track affords your stupid ass the good will of believing you know what you are doing to your car or have someone on site who does. It is good faith really that you have not and will not make significant changes that may affect the integrity of the build between certifications.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Shall I start posting safety documents used by organizations? Perhaps then you can point out on them where it says. "Is your car modded yes/no. Did you perform the mods yourself yes/no." And also, "user modified cars may be barred from entry."

NO ONE GIVES A CRAP ABOUT MODS

Also you might want to note that some if not most waivers anywhere do not cover patrons of the business, so while they are not liable you still can be.

They cover their own specific liability...mainly that they have none. There is no special clause that says if a car is stock or professionally modded they are liable, but if the driver him/herself modded the car that they are not liable. The organization and the track itself is not liable. If my wife is with me she has to sign the waiver just being at the track. Since the organization and the track is not liable for whatever happens guess what that means....

THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT MODS

Now that being said they do care if your car is a impediment to others running on track. But that has to do with the conduct of the event not liability. If your car looks like its not going to fall apart on track you can run as once again

THEY DON'T CARE IF YOUR CAR IS MODDED

As for MY liability to everyone else. Shall I pass out personal liability waivers to everyone at the track? I'd probably be kicked off then, for being insane.

You should also know that you must have spectacularly great friends to make it onto the track and be utterly unaware of certification

I'm unaware of such "certification" because it doesn't exist. The only certification anyone cares about is your helmet.

safety inspections required to have insurance on or off the track.

No one gives a damn about what insurance you have. Check your policy for your street vehicle. It will say somewhere that the car is not covered if it is ANYWHERE intended for racing. That includes the paddock where everyone parks. Thus if my wife comes with me, as she had a few times, in her own car that car is not covered by our insurance. Even as it sits on the paddock. Guess what, no one from the organization cares. Considering that they don't care what happens to spectator vehicles, as long as they sign the waiver. Do you really think they care if a driver's track car is modded?

And sure perhaps your little group doesn't require inspections to have been done(at all or on occasion)(wherever the ♥♥♥♥ it is you do your ♥♥♥♥ at and if you really do it at all)and proof of such provided, but I am most certain any legitimate organisation or league will.

I've driven with the SCCA, NASA, SCDA, HOD, and PCA (two different groups). What about you?

Safety is hardly a joke. Go to your Le Mans and see if they allow you to just roll up and on the the track on the trackday even, yes go do that. Bro.

I assume you mean the 24 hours of Lemons since I mentioned it. To quote their rulebook:

1.6: Your Car May Be Destroyed at Any Time: This is racing. Accidents and other unfortunate boo-boos happen. We don’t crush stuff anymore, but that was never the point; the point was, you should never bring a car to the track if you aren’t ready to lose it there.

3.A TECH INSPECTION RULES

3.A.1 General Tech Inspection. Vehicles must meet all safety standards laid out in this section and must pass tech inspection prior to each race. Tech inspection (also called “Lemons Safety Inspection”) is in no way a certification, representation, or guarantee that your crappy old vehicle is fit or safe to drive. Each team is solely responsible for determining its vehicle’s safety, fitness to race, and compliance with Lemons’ rules. The team rep shepherding the car through Tech Inspection must be a legal adult and have sufficient knowledge of the vehicle to certify that it meets each and all of the representations made on Lemons’ Tech Sheet.

Now Lemons is kind of a "joke" series, but nevertheless notice this part in 3.A.1, "Each team is solely responsible for determining its vehicle’s safety."

Do you really think a track day club or even racing series will accept any liability for anything that happens on track? Once again this is why I say your posts are stupid. In NASCAR, for instance, cars go through an inspection to make sure they aren't cheating and the required (mostly) safety items are in the car. Let's say that car hits the wall and the pit crew tapes the front fender on. Is there a NASCAR official in the pit to make sure the tape they apply measures up to the safety standards of a undamaged car. No of course not.

For track days there are no rules to follow. It is not racing. Thus the ONLY thing that really matters is making a reasonable determination that the car will survive the track. There are street cars that stock can reach 160+mph on straights and the only safety equipment required is a driver helmet. In an environment like that do you really think anyone gives a quantum damn if someone turns the boost up in a RX-7?

Your the one who felt so compelled to write a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ novel about it.

I have a low tolerance for people stupidly pontificating on things they know nothing about. As example you said that no one would allow anyone to take a car from a junkyard and drive it on track, even though there is an entire racing series dedicated to just that. The length of my posts is a requirement to unpack the stupidity displayed.

[Bigbazz]

Interesting discussion going on in this ancient thread, especially posts from clairvoyant. Should point out though Clair that if you were willing to work on it you can add any car you want into AC, since modding allows you incredible freedom within the game. I'm not much of a modder but I did create a few fantasy cars based on working templates, and you can create pretty much anything you want.

Forza does make life easy for you to create some wild machines, (played a lot of FH4 myself) but it does really lack on the realism side when it comes to the driving of those machines, it's a different world to sim racing.

Interesting stuff about the Ferraris at track days, you're right it doesn't make sense to spend that much on a luxury road car if you want to actually track the thing, it's not practical or cost effective and they aren't really designed with track days or racing in mind, but like many people I still love Ferrari cars.

[Folger419]

Assetto Corsa is a very fun game! The physics are great and many of the cars are endlessly fun.
It is worth noting that while generally realistic, it would be unwise to accept it as absolute in its representation of physics, .

In real life it is slightly more complicated. There are metalergical tolerances which deffinitely should not exceeded. And a significant change in the stance of the vehicle can possibly help to narrow in on these tolerances(in the bad way).

If you choose to modify or alter your, or any, vehicle there is a risk for mechanical failure. Slight failures as well as catastrophic failures. It may happen immediately, It may happen after a time of running/using the vehicle. You may do or receive a great job and have no problems at all. You could also have a problem which causes a problem, which can then develop into a far more serious problem, also imminent or delayed. Or again a proper job may get done and all is fine and fun. In any case you should always take adequate measures to ensure your safety and the safety of others around you regardless of the roadway(or lack of roadway XD).
Maybe you contract the work out to a certified engineer or mechanic. Maybe you took a post education course and have the skills and equipment to do it yourself. Maybe you have the Service Manual and only need an oil change and so who ♥♥♥♥ing cares who does it.
A good job is a good job.
Be safe and have fun everybody.

[clairvoyantwolf]

Originally posted by Folger419:

You have been relatively adamant in your claims that I have said you would be banned from raceways for modifying car. The entire time I have repeatedly corrected you in that I said you may be barred and by the way I was speaking in relation to mods achieved by way of cuts and welds.

You will not be barred, banned, kicked out, or ejected for cutting or welding your car. I am not using google for this. I am speaking from personal experience after tracking with the largest club racing organizations in the country. IT DOES NOT HAPPEN.

For my very first track event there was a trio of gutted and extensively modified honda civics made by college kids. ...No one cared.

I am not using any language trickery. I am not being "selective." What is really at issue is that your foolish pride is preventing you from admitting that you are just wrong in this. The reason why this is topic is of issue for me is because I don't want some guy who may have modified his car and may have even cut or welded it to read your stupid comment and think "oh no I can't track my car now."

[clairvoyantwolf]

Originally posted by Folger419:

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A good job is a good job.

And no one certifies how good that job was done. No one cares.

[Bigbazz]

On this topic, there are actually a LOT of series on youtube you can check right now with guys doing home-made slap-dash jobs of modifying cars and repairing wrecked cars, before taking them to the track for track days. I watched one the other day with a complete cowboy restoring a crashed GTR, and by cowboy I mean someone taking shortcuts at every opportunity with the build.

You for sure can track questionably modified or worked on cars without issue, even if certain regulations exist there has to be someone responsible for enforcing them, nobody is inspecting some welding done on your car and asking for the qualifications of the person who did it before it gets on track, if you're just talking standard track days all you actually need to do is turn up and drive.

Talking of the UK. Even regarding MOT inspections, mechanics/shops can be pretty lenient at times and pass things that shouldn't probably pass, and this is quite widespread/common.

[Folger419]

@clairvoyantwolf
My original comment barely grazed upon the topic of being denied entry to the track. It was pretty clearly trying to bring to mind the safety of the Owner/Driver as well as everyone else(in fact more regarding street cars, then tracking. If it leaned in a general single direction at all), as well as this game being a great game. The comment as a whole was not singulary rooted in any one aspect of vehicle awesomeness(except maybe doing BAD work on your vehicle, which is something NO ONE should EVER DO!). Therefore anyone who had modified their car(or simply owned a car) was only presented with a reason to make sure it was done well, and done right.
Further given the nature of the sport it is not inconceivable to even the stupidest person the vehicle in question can be brought to, or back to, par(if its still a car that is). Neither of us is their teacher. We are not gaining anything by telling them ♥♥♥♥, so I would expect I am not the defining factor in whether or not they decide to track/modify their car. And on that particular sentance I want to point out that:
I think you are simply opening up a general caution, and pretending theres a fight to be had. The certified welder performing the welding is on its own, the stamp of approval. If you have been certified as an engineer, mechanic, or as a welder there is no reason for a separate party to check your work at every single opportunity. If your car has been passed in the safety check(s) as required(maybe its once pre-season/yearly/by-yearly/200km/5000km/some other measurement not included here..), by whatever facility you are attending (and whatever governing entity they may require you to conform with or maybe they dont, I dont ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ care), there is also no reason for a third party to check the car at every single opportunity. Which by the way if every nut, bolt, weld and seal were to be checked over, at every single little alteration or repair or entry onto property or whatever by some kind of weld and design ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ overlord well that would defeat the purpose of certifying anybody at all. You spend alot of time calling me an idiot, while you expand on words that never garanteed a specific result. Applying whatever ridiculous logic allows you to mesh and impose your objective interpretations as my comment, then explaining how that is wrong. I do not think that it matters to you what the response is. You will find a way to continue the fight, that is my thoughts(which Im sure is garbage in your thoughts LOL).

And while I sympathise with your given reason for relentlessly calling me stupid. If this was indeed the reason why you have been riding my ass, you could have simply stated the fact. But you went so far above and beyond the call there is no way I would ever believe you.

I should not have followed you so far down the rabbithole anyway, and hopefully this time I remember to unsubscribe from this.


P.S For what its worth, sorry I'm such a ♥♥♥♥ to you. Aside from all of this I would consider you to be a rather cool guy.