CPU 100c with 14900KS

[SharpeXB]

Wow I see my i9-14900KS (stock speed, no o.c.) hitting 100c running 2160p at 120FPS. I have a RTX 4090 and a pretty decent case (Corsair 5000x) with lots of fans and an iCUE H150i ELITE CAPELLIX Liquid CPU Cooler. I had been running the game with the frame target unconstrained and the frame rate capped in Nvidia CP. Setting this to 60 in-game calms the temps down. The game was freezing up and I figure that’s why.
Actually as I understand it 100c is normal for a 13-14 series CPU. But still wow…

[[R]56🌟W㋡rK[$]]

Idle temperatures on the 14900k can range from 35-45°C and when playing games such as Forza Motorsport, they can peak at 70°C. for me your temperatures are too high, only on forza you have its temperatures?

[TheHuskyGT]

100c is normal for that cpu. But only in short bursts

[Mexicola9302]

My R9 5950x that runs at stockspeed is at 51 degree celsius while gaming with FPS limited to 75. But only if I have my ASUS Ryujin 360mm running at max. If I keep it at normal speed it's around 60 degree. The room temperature is around 26 degree. That is the cool thing about that CPU, pun intended. :D

If I pause the game and look at the display of the cooler it says 46 degree. If I continue playing it goes back to 51.

[[SRS13]Rastus(TTT)]

It seems Intel have practically abandoned their Mobo validation process in recent years.
AMD had the issue of 7xxx CPU's burning up and took ownership of the problem, yet, Intel it seems are trying to claim the current degradation and stability issues are all the fault of the Mobo manufacturers or the end user as they haven't specified WHICH profile should be set as the default (Intel Baseline, performance and extreme profiles)...
https://youtu.be/♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥?si=7yal3xLdkbtGmO0d

Whilst AMD have learned from their issues recently and took steps to control the default BIOS settings more rigidly and replaced the chips damaged.
Intel partners are not even being advised in the same fashion, sometimes the Youtubers are getting details before the partners are, hence you're possibly getting 100C (the max temp the chip can handle which is NOT NORMAL) and you'll be getting significant downclocking as a result.

As PAWNSTAR has suggested you might want to check your AIO pump & fan speeds and also the BIOS settings as the out the box "default" Intel settings can vary wildly.
There's no way you should be hitting 100C with a 360mm AIO unless the fan/pump speeds are set incorrectly or the BIOS is using the extreme profile as the default and overvolting the nuts off the CPU.

I'm on AMD myself and my 5800X3D and 7900XTX are both on a custom cooling loop with a 360 x 120 x 68mm Radiator and even after a 1 hour stress test I'm rarely seeing CPU temps over 60C in gaming and 70C in a CPU stress test @4.4GHz as it's only drawing 55-60W despite a TDP of 105W.
This below TDP pattern is also prevalent in the AM5 CPU's with the 7950X3D hitting just 156W in Blender despite a TDP of 170W, though having said that the 7900X and 7950X do go above their TDP hitting 199W (1.17X) and 250W (1.5X) respectively.
It's still not trying to ram 2.4X the TDP through the chip...
FWIW the 7900XTX package temp rarely gets above 38C and hotspot temp of 67C @ 2.7GHz and drawing 350W.

It's a given that the TDP used by intel and AMD differs slightly in what exactly it means but still... Ramming 2.4X the watts through the CPU can only lead to problems, as will running a CPU at max temps constantly

GN testing with a 360mm AIO @ 100% fan and pump speeds had the 14900K in a blender all core stress test hitting a mere 74.4C max temp on the P cores, whilst drawing 286.8W despite the claimed TDP of just 125W, so you get an idea of the possible problems this could be causing you...
Most dramatically Intel are STILL claiming this is "in spec" despite the default BIOS settings enabling upto 4096W power draw (though it NEVER gets anywhere near that level)

So there's definitely summat screwey going on there.
Check those fan and pump speeds, check the Rad for dust buildup, check your BIOS version and update it, check the voltages supplied to the CPU aren't too high.

Intel are gonna have an awful lot of narked off customers just because they want to chase the gaming crown and are sacrificing stability and longevity in order to get the win, plus saying every setting is in spec regardless of the potential damage their lack of advice to their partners is causing...
IIRC the recent Intel baseline profile at worst was causing a drop off of 4-20 fps on the Gigabyte Mobos which were the only ones to actually use the specified 125W TDP
https://youtu.be/OdF5erDRO-c?si=tPR8rdT25FEIz5yE

[[SRS13]Rastus(TTT)]

Originally posted by PAWNSTAR:

It Appears 7 months later.... FM Community figures out 90% of issues was because of individual USER configurations.... and not entirely the DEVS.

Guess that makes me a Fanboy for playing 1 of their titles... Re#$#ds
Sad sad community of console kids

Yet plenty of AMD users are suffering the exact same problems plus a whole host of others, so guess you are you gonna use your usual selective quotation tactics to ignore or malign them as well?

[panchirito]

Update your bios based on your motherboard manufacturer. This helps with stability issues that some 13th and 14th Gen Core i9 CPU are having. I have the same setup as you same cpu 14900ks and 4090. Now every game i play doesnt have some weird crash or overheating stability issues because It does run hot on me & happens in mostly all games i play.

[Luna ~]

cap your wattage to 253W You dont need unlimited, if your water cooler is fine.

[[SRS13]Rastus(TTT)]

Originally posted by PAWNSTAR:

so how does two exact specs systems with the same operating system, running Forza Motorsports, have totally the opposite experience to each other

eg 5800x3D + 3080ti where 10% of 50 Users with the same spec is suffering from performance issues and the other 90% doesnt.

Same goes with any other specs like 14900k & 4090 combo
it aint rocket science mate...

it aint attack on your Hardware, its now a question to how you configured your pc, or the better way to put it leave it in default without any configuration fresh from the retailer.... SIMPLY put The DEVS can not Configure your BIOS through a FM update

Its not only CPU Voltage, that can cause instability there still RAM speeds, RBAR & SAM, Hard drive Speeds, PCIE speeds, to basic functions like OSD and the basics of Configuring fans for your CPU Cooler, Onboard Motherboard drivers conflicts , Wifi vs Ethernet etc etc

Then The OS level and cummulative updates and software for Xbox and Antivirus & Firewall

Before FM actually Boots up

Ask Someone with your Same Specs PC Rastus and if its 100% everyone has an issue
Then the DEVS got something going on with that certain hardware

I actually Believe your "The Fanboy" as you Have played more than one iteration of Forza motorsports, and keep throwing cash at the franchise with every version ,
compared to myself who was just trying it out to see why people love this series.

Since your The fanboy im gonna ask you, What Makes Forza Motorsports so great ??? Heck you can write an essay about it on your 1080p monitor

when your complaining about it and comparing it to the older titles you once loved...
The "SALTY FAN BOY" was Born
or a Dillusional FAN BOY in Denial and havent succumbed to Acceptance yet after 7 months

I Mean i stopped playing after completing the game after 6 months (Update 6) and moved on and completed over several titles as i dont want to waste my time investing time into something I dislike doing as that would be an Insanity Check
just remember your the one still playing this game and defending it 7 months later

Almost as Random and waffling as this is in relation to the Discussion

Originally posted by Mexicola9302:

My R9 5950x that runs at stockspeed is at 51 degree celsius while gaming with FPS limited to 75. But only if I have my ASUS Ryujin 360mm running at max. If I keep it at normal speed it's around 60 degree. The room temperature is around 26 degree. That is the cool thing about that CPU, pun intended. :D

If I pause the game and look at the display of the cooler it says 46 degree. If I continue playing it goes back to 51.

Really?
None of this should make ANY damned difference to the simple fact this game runs like garbage on many different PC builds.....
The game was released as PC compatible, this immediately puts the onus on the DEVELOPER to ensure it runs AS ADVERTISED on the hardware it was released on, simple as that..
Nowhere was it mentioned that you MUST run it on a 4K panel or face blurry gfx unless you sacrifice half your fps rate and run it at 200% resolution scaling.
No other game I own demands this yet it's a hardware configuration problem???
Get over yourself pal....
OS updates are a FACT of PC ownership so again it's down to the DEVELOPER to ensure it's stability throughout all future OS updates.
This is why we have WHQL updates and drivers that list known issues etc.
Windows Hardware Quality Labs where MS test said updates prior to public release to ensure stability across all possible platform configurations...

As of my config being the problem? I'm currently running at stock after a windows re-install on a brand new SSD and STILL get the same damned issues so that shoots your config claims in the foot right away.
Even locked to base clock speeds on the CPU. It STILL runs like utter garbage.
I've also undervolted the CPU etc but as the 5800X3D doesn't overdo the voltage, Amps nor does it thrash the watts over the TDP, once again you're clutching at straws as per ususal...
Part of my career in electronics repair is testing a variety of configuration changes specifically to replicate reported issues.
Given that do you REALLY think I'm stupid enough to only test ONE configuration before losing my rag with a developer that doesn't give a fig about properly testing their product before launching it on an unsuspecting public and, uses us as beta testers whilst desperately attempting to fix the plethora of issues which they publicly apologised for not long after release.
With those same updates often creating new problems in the process.
Yeah it's all down to US not knowing how to set up a PC...

I'm not a fanboy of any kind, other than singing the praises of developers that DO test properly before releasing garbage code, I'm a consumer that expects the products I buy to work as advertised on any system I choose to own.
You know the same hardware/systems listed as compatible on the store page...
You yourself have said MS/T10 screwed the game up in the recent updates so again that's THEIR responsibility or is YOUR system config suddenly at fault?
I buy games for playability and longevity, I don't want to dump them after completing the single player mode, that's just a waste of money imo..

FWIW I have a friend with the exact same system who has the exact same issues.
I have friends on Intel systems who also report similar issues.

Yet once again you go after my supposed lack of knowledge, yet I've been building PC's for over 20 years, repairing them for over 15 years and have 30+ years as a warranty trained and qualified electronics test and repair technician as well.

None of this changes the FACTS that this games optimisation is piss poor on MANY different hardware configurations.
If it works just fine on 90% of systems why is it STILL getting piss poor ratings on ALL platforms?
Nvidia apparently holds 87% of desktop GPU market share.
Intel has 63% of CPU market share.
This game was designed to run on the AMD hardware in the consoles.
Yet this games approval ratings still sit at 41% positive on Steam and just 50% on console, and that's despite them being caught deleting negative reviews after launch.

Nothing makes FM great and that's the point, yet here you are claiming I'm an FM fanboy?? WTF???
Again you go after me for playing at 1080p, once again this game was released as compatible with that hardware... THAT'S how PC gaming works dude or had you forgotten that?
Chris Esaki HIMSELF said BEFORE launch "This game is designed to run on low end hardware, high end hardware Ultrawide, Superultrawide, 1080p and 4K systems".
The resolution played at SHOULD be of no consequence yet it is, yet according to you alone that's somehow OUR fault and not the developers despite the clear claims made prior to launch?

Again it doesn't change the facts that many users have many, many issues with this game on the hardware it was released on and on hardware that is listed in the min and recommended hardware specs...

Yet somehow YOU KNOW the exact figures of failures on different hardware configurations and come to the immediate conclusion that NOBODY else on the planet knows a damned thing about PC hardware???

Like I said get over yourself sunshine....

[[SRS13]Rastus(TTT)]

Chris Esaki is creative director at T10 and I quote:
"Q: How does Forza Motorsport look on ultrawide monitors?

A: Races in the PC version of Forza Motorsport look great on ultrawide monitors thanks to support for non-standard resolutions available in on-track gameplay."

You yourself complained about the piss poor image on Ultrawide or had you forgotten that?
"PAWNSTAR 14 May @ 5:22am
legit this is how the game looks on ultrawide & superwide resolutions on both AMD & Nvidia since launch... its the very reason i dont play this game on ultrawide or superwide and Opted for 4K 16:9"

So yeah Chris was CLEARLY misleading if not outright lying if even YOUR "perfectly working" PC looks garbage on Ultrawide...
Is it sinking in yet?

As previously stated last time you chose to attack me with that 1080p = 4K BS...
Not in the least. what I ACTUALLY said was this.
"You tell me, which of the two looks better to you?
Smeared gfx with piss poor performance plus garbage AI or ultra sharp detail with triple digit fps rates (@4K you'll see the fps counter bottom left) and AI that's actually aware you exist."
Check any of my vids and all can be viewed at 4K settings which gives a much better presentation.
So again I never said 1080p was 4K, you read what you chose to read whilst completely to ignoring the context, the YT vid despite being recorded at 1080 allows 4K playback due to the high bitrate I use for recording...

Nope zero PC stability issues here, certainly not in any games other than FM....
FH5 just fine and crystal clear.
AMS2 likewise.
Warframe zero issues.
etc, etc, etc. but you'll once again blithely ignore that in favour of desperate clutching at those straws.
Same as many people on Intel systems ALSO reported in other threads.

So it's perfectly clear my PC has ZERO issues other than with this POS game.. Exactly the same as plenty of other people..
FWIW I've had no issues with this PC since it was built other than this specific game...

Nope don't need HUB vids to understand PC components I only highlight such vids to provide further evidence of known issues for people who might not be aware of them, same with the DF videos which actually highlight the specific issues many people like myself ARE suffering from...
That's called looking around for causes for inexplicable problems that a variety of testing fails to resolve.
I got Comp TIA in PC hardware maintenance and networking thanks..
Alongside City and Guilds 224 pt's 1, 2 & 3 in TV Video and Hifi Servicing...
THAT'S where my knowledge comes from, what about yours? Back of a cornflake packet?

Yes I'm perfectly aware there's people without problems just as there are as many if not more WITH problems, stop deflecting and putting words in peoples mouths...
You look less of an idiot that way...

Once again if the majority have the game working just fine why are there so many complaint threads regarding issues with JUST THIS GAME....?
Why are T10 deleting multiple threads that raise these exact issues?
Why are the ratings so piss poor on all platforms if there aren't a plethora of issues suffered by a huge number of users coupled with ever reducing player numbers on Steam and even on console?

I'm not the muppet you seem to suggest I am, do you not think I've tested every possible option to get this game to run properly? Obviously you do. Your arrogance is only eclipsed by your ignorance and intransigence.
Rest assured I've tried every piece of advice from my own hardware knowledge to even your advice in other threads and refuse to accept 50% fps loss to get rid of the blurring given Chris Esakis perfectly clear statement quoted above...
Alongside this gem...
"Q: How will Forza Motorsport look and play on PCs?

A: We’ve optimized Forza Motorsport to look and play great across a wide range of PCs, taking advantage of cutting-edge PC hardware and technologies with real-time ray tracing on-track and maximum performance enabled by NVIDIA DLSS 2 and AMD FSR 2.2. For more information, please refer to our PC spec sheet which includes information about how the game will perform on various types of PC hardware configurations."

Also this....
"Q: What unique features does Forza Motorsport include on PC?

A: Forza Motorsport on PC supports resolutions up to 4K and beyond, RG1 unlocked framerates in single-player gameplay with or without V-Sync, HDR calibration, shader precaching, DirectInput API with input remapping which greatly increases the number of supported wheels and devices, customizable FOV, ultrawide displays, and more. Players can maximize their performance by enabling resolution and framerate upscaling technologies NVIDIA DLSS 2 and AMD FSR 2.2."

Seeing ANY mention of ultrawide support contingent on forcing 200% scaling at the sacrifice of 50% of fps rate?
Quite clearly says ultrawide displays upto 4K and beyond which implies native support at ALL resolutions available. Not just 16:9 ratio or 4K..

Again why did they HAVE to issue a public apology for the exact problems many of us are experiencing right after launch?
These are undenaible FACTS which you blatantly choose to ignore in favour of trashing people with only your perceived fallacies and crude assumptions as any basis..

[Andre.Hawck]

Your multi-core enhancement is probably enabled or optimized by the BIOS. I recommend disabling it and leaving the processor working in its default mode.
Understand that Intel has not programmed any of its processors to work with turbo boost at full speed without a time limit. If you want more performance, do it safely manually.