Turn 10 YOU SCREWED UP YET AGAIN!!!

[awdion354]

This will be a very long post/a mouthful so bear with me and just hear me out.

I'm calling you (Turn 10 studios) out for your so-called great update that only just made the overall game play worse and not better. I thought you said you were aiming to make the game even better but it feels like more your going ass backwards instead of forward as you claimed. Nothing but lies and spewing BS as per usual/empty promises. Car Progression

We know that the progression system in Forza Motorsport is a divisive topic among our players. We’ve been gathering feedback from a variety of sources, including the Suggestions Hub, socials, forums, long-time players, and surveys to players who may not be as active on our traditional community gathering places.

It is clear from looking at feedback that while many of our players are enjoying the system as is, for many others it isn’t delivering the upgrade experience that they expect from Forza Motorsport. To address this, we are exploring changes to the system. Our goal with these changes is to retain what is working for those that enjoy it, while resolving the issues many of our most dedicated players have with the system.

Addressing this feedback is a top priority for the team going into 2024, however it will take some time to properly evaluate options, make the necessary code changes, and thoroughly test those code changes.

Forza Race Regulations

We are aware that Forza Race Regulations are not working as intended in some situations. We have heard about inconsistent or unfair penalties in instances of intentional ramming, being pushed off the track, and spinning cars pushing drivers off the track. We have also heard that high speed collisions sometimes have no penalties while low speed collisions have mild penalties. It’s important that we capture all the data that we can about a race when FRR rulings happen in error, so over the next few months, we will be working with some long-time competitive Motorsport players to gather direct telemetry from them while they’re playing. They will be capturing these instances and feeding data to our team so that we can issue tweaks to make FRR more accurate and reliable. We appreciate your patience as we work on improving the system.

AI

We have seen feedback about our AI’s driving behavior: abruptly braking and slowing down; not accelerating out of exits, braking too hard on mild corners, and following racing lines too strictly. We understand how important it is to have fair and competitive AI in Motorsport and are our top priorities in early 2024 are addressing overly aggressive AI, while also getting a cleaner race start into turn 1 where many of the issues above most severely manifest and impact players.

The 3 areas mentioned above are just a few examples of what we have seen most often and know you care passionately about. We care about these issues too. These and other issues are constantly being worked on, iterated, and given careful consideration. How and what we implement and when is driven by the desire to improve the experience regularly and consistently in a way that does not sacrifice stability and minimizes any downtime.

Thanks,
Andy Beaudoin, Forza Motorsport Game Director
Chris Esaki, Forza Motorsport Creative Director
Trevor Laupmanis, Forza Motorsport Executive Producer

Then act like you care then/give two ♥♥♥♥♥ if you want to keep your fan base around.

The update made the AI go AWOL and some of the upgrades and interior of the Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio are not present. The dashboard is completely missing and the gauge cluster doesn't light up during night races and the gauges are a jumbled crackled mess. It's like someone was angry and just punched and cracked it. The AI slows way down in the corners making it extremely hard for me to react in time and I have to slam on the brakes to avoid hitting them but I end up either clipping their rear bumper or having to go off the racing surface. Oh yeah, not to mention they drive at almost cruising speeds like 90 mph on straightaways like on the Daytona Roval. One constant/theme I noticed throughout the Alfa series is the Giulia's very poor handling and braking system even with my focus solely on the handling portion of the car as far as upgrades go and that did very little to nothing to curb/combat those issues. Uhhhhhhh, it's just nothing but bugs/Glitches, Bugs, Bugs, Bugs Galore. I just hope for the sake of all us gamers this Update #5 will fix all this hot garbage of a mess. Good news is the Nordschleife (sorry for my terrible spelling) is returning so there's that.

To sum it up, these are probably some of the most inept developers who so far are not delivering/taking way too long on their promises on what has been an average/below average game I paid good money for. How long will it ACTUALLY take for them to fix the litany of issues plaguing this game? Months, years? Oh that's right it's a foreign concept to them. They should've actually finished the game fully before the launch date instead of half assing it and hoping it will work out. It won't work and it doesn't ever work in this industry. They've also done nothing but let down a whole lot of game players me included and are starting to test everyone's patience.

So go ahead and ban me/throw me off here, I don't give a damn. That's my rant. I apologize for this very long post. I needed to voice all of my frustrations and get them off my chest.

[Specky4eyes]

Let it all out,you will feel much better.

[awdion354]

Originally posted by Specky4eyes:

Let it all out,you will feel much better.

after typing all of this, I actually did feel better and slept well knowing I got all of this out of my mind and I'm just hoping my long OP will somehow send a crystal clear message to the developers that this is unacceptable

[Voodoochile]

Bold of you to assume that developers still read posts on this dead board, lol
There are about 500 people still playing here. I'm surprised they even bother to post events & announcements. Back at launch there was only 1 dev replying over here and I haven't seen this guy ("Yachts") for like 2-3 months already.

But if that makes you feel better (it helps me), most people agree with your points.
Hopefully the devs listen.

[awdion354]

Originally posted by Voodoochile:

Bold of you to assume that developers still read posts on this dead board, lol
There are about 500 people still playing here. I'm surprised they even bother to post events & announcements. Back at launch there was only 1 dev replying over here and I haven't seen this guy ("Yachts") for like 2-3 months already.

But if that makes you feel better (it helps me), most people agree with your points.
Hopefully the devs listen.

I didn't ass ume anything genius. I was voicing my "frustrations" with the game. If a product is hyped up so much and it fails to meet or exceed expectations, yeah harsh words must be used to get points across. If you actually bothered to read the 3rd part of my OP starting with the words Car progression they list what sources they are getting feedback from. I don't know for sure if they really did get any feedback from here but they did say "a variety of sources."

[Voodoochile]

Originally posted by awdion354:

Originally posted by Voodoochile:

Bold of you to assume that developers still read posts on this dead board, lol
There are about 500 people still playing here. I'm surprised they even bother to post events & announcements. Back at launch there was only 1 dev replying over here and I haven't seen this guy ("Yachts") for like 2-3 months already.

But if that makes you feel better (it helps me), most people agree with your points.
Hopefully the devs listen.

I didn't ass ume anything genius. I was voicing my "frustrations" with the game. If a product is hyped up so much and it fails to meet or exceed expectations, yeah harsh words must be used to get points across. If you actually bothered to read the 3rd part of my OP starting with the words Car progression they list what sources they are getting feedback from. I don't know for sure if they really did get any feedback from here but they did say "a variety of sources."

Your first paragraph and whole post pretty much is addressed directly to T10 and I am telling you there has been no sign of them on these forums for months. Not sure which part of my comment made you jump straight to insults and I apologize, but I am not going to read a 1000 word wall of text on a dead board just to understand you a little better.

We are all in the same boat of frustration and we get it, it's bad. Game has 30% positive reviews only. But next time you are addressing the devs directly and not looking for feedback from forum members you are better off writing them an e-mail.

[awdion354]

Originally posted by Voodoochile:

Originally posted by awdion354:

I didn't ass ume anything genius. I was voicing my "frustrations" with the game. If a product is hyped up so much and it fails to meet or exceed expectations, yeah harsh words must be used to get points across. If you actually bothered to read the 3rd part of my OP starting with the words Car progression they list what sources they are getting feedback from. I don't know for sure if they really did get any feedback from here but they did say "a variety of sources."

Your first paragraph and whole post pretty much is addressed directly to T10 and I am telling you there has been no sign of them on these forums for months. Not sure which part of my comment made you jump straight to insults and I apologize, but I am not going to read a 1000 word wall of text on a dead board just to understand you a little better.

We are all in the same boat of frustration and we get it, it's bad. Game has 30% positive reviews only. But next time you are addressing the devs directly and not looking for feedback from forum members you are better off writing them an e-mail.

It was when you used the word assume and laughed not so sarcastically that you think this is a dead board that I jumped straight to the insults. Never assume anything. There's a thing called the steam community board members

Okay again I don't want to sound snarkey or rude but since you decided to just my laugh off my serious OP all because I chose to do it here and not on let's say the forza forums web site directly which not all us Forza players know how to use due to it not being user friendly and it makes you do tasks/jump through hoops just to use some of the features necessary to send out posts like these. I've tried it multiple times and it's not as easy/simple to use as you might think like I said. A scattered/unorganized mess to navigate. Plus, I'm just guessing but I think they want to keep the riffraff/bad players out against the ones who are the good/kind ones. They need to make it make sense. I don't know whether to believe you when you said, "Back at launch there was only 1 dev replying over here and I haven't seen this guy ("Yachts") for like 2-3 months already." There are multiple developers on the team and it doesn't sound like they're doing a good job checking here.

As far as my OP goes, you had option A which was just scrolling by my post and just ignoring it completely. Option B: You had the option of reading it or not reading it or just only a part of it that's fine. I didn't force you to read it, that was your choice and I made the choice to post it here and I'll leave it at that. I worked my ass off organizing and trying to make my OP make as much sense as possible so at least be grateful.

[Mexicola9302]

Maybe rate the game there, and write a text what bothers you.
https://forums.forza.net/t/poll-how-would-you-rate-the-game/665781

Or create a new topic anywhere in the forza forums, the Turn 10 ppl read what you type there. But barely what you type down here.

[Quick☢420™]

Originally posted by awdion354:

This will be a very long post/a mouthful so bear with me and just hear me out.

I'm calling you (Turn 10 studios) out for your so-called great update that only just made the overall game play worse and not better. I thought you said you were aiming to make the game even better but it feels like more your going ass backwards instead of forward as you claimed. Nothing but lies and spewing BS as per usual/empty promises. Car Progression

We know that the progression system in Forza Motorsport is a divisive topic among our players. We’ve been gathering feedback from a variety of sources, including the Suggestions Hub, socials, forums, long-time players, and surveys to players who may not be as active on our traditional community gathering places.

It is clear from looking at feedback that while many of our players are enjoying the system as is, for many others it isn’t delivering the upgrade experience that they expect from Forza Motorsport. To address this, we are exploring changes to the system. Our goal with these changes is to retain what is working for those that enjoy it, while resolving the issues many of our most dedicated players have with the system.

Addressing this feedback is a top priority for the team going into 2024, however it will take some time to properly evaluate options, make the necessary code changes, and thoroughly test those code changes.

Forza Race Regulations

We are aware that Forza Race Regulations are not working as intended in some situations. We have heard about inconsistent or unfair penalties in instances of intentional ramming, being pushed off the track, and spinning cars pushing drivers off the track. We have also heard that high speed collisions sometimes have no penalties while low speed collisions have mild penalties. It’s important that we capture all the data that we can about a race when FRR rulings happen in error, so over the next few months, we will be working with some long-time competitive Motorsport players to gather direct telemetry from them while they’re playing. They will be capturing these instances and feeding data to our team so that we can issue tweaks to make FRR more accurate and reliable. We appreciate your patience as we work on improving the system.

AI

We have seen feedback about our AI’s driving behavior: abruptly braking and slowing down; not accelerating out of exits, braking too hard on mild corners, and following racing lines too strictly. We understand how important it is to have fair and competitive AI in Motorsport and are our top priorities in early 2024 are addressing overly aggressive AI, while also getting a cleaner race start into turn 1 where many of the issues above most severely manifest and impact players.

The 3 areas mentioned above are just a few examples of what we have seen most often and know you care passionately about. We care about these issues too. These and other issues are constantly being worked on, iterated, and given careful consideration. How and what we implement and when is driven by the desire to improve the experience regularly and consistently in a way that does not sacrifice stability and minimizes any downtime.

Thanks,
Andy Beaudoin, Forza Motorsport Game Director
Chris Esaki, Forza Motorsport Creative Director
Trevor Laupmanis, Forza Motorsport Executive Producer

Then act like you care then/give two ♥♥♥♥♥ if you want to keep your fan base around.

The update made the AI go AWOL and some of the upgrades and interior of the Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio are not present. The dashboard is completely missing and the gauge cluster doesn't light up during night races and the gauges are a jumbled crackled mess. It's like someone was angry and just punched and cracked it. The AI slows way down in the corners making it extremely hard for me to react in time and I have to slam on the brakes to avoid hitting them but I end up either clipping their rear bumper or having to go off the racing surface. Oh yeah, not to mention they drive at almost cruising speeds like 90 mph on straightaways like on the Daytona Roval. One constant/theme I noticed throughout the Alfa series is the Giulia's very poor handling and braking system even with my focus solely on the handling portion of the car as far as upgrades go and that did very little to nothing to curb/combat those issues. Uhhhhhhh, it's just nothing but bugs/Glitches, Bugs, Bugs, Bugs Galore. I just hope for the sake of all us gamers this Update #5 will fix all this hot garbage of a mess. Good news is the Nordschleife (sorry for my terrible spelling) is returning so there's that.

To sum it up, these are probably some of the most inept developers who so far are not delivering/ taking way too long on their promises on what has been an average/below average game I paid good money for. How long will it ACTUALLY take for them to fix the litany of issues plaguing this game? Months, years? Oh that's right it's a foreign concept to them. They should've actually finished the game fully before the launch date instead of half assing it and hoping it will work out. It won't work and it doesn't ever work in this industry. They've also done nothing but let down a whole lot of game players me included and are starting to test everyone's patience.

So go ahead and ban me/throw me off here, I don't give a damn. That's my rant. I apologize for this very long post. I needed to voice all of my frustrations and get them off my chest.

You do realise 5.0 is yet to be released right? 4.1 was a hotfix....

[awdion354]

Originally posted by Mexicola9302:

Maybe rate the game there, and write a text what bothers you.
https://forums.forza.net/t/poll-how-would-you-rate-the-game/665781

Or create a new topic anywhere in the forza forums, the Turn 10 ppl read what you type there. But barely what you type down here.

Thank you for the help.

[awdion354]

Originally posted by Quick☢420™:

Originally posted by awdion354:

This will be a very long post/a mouthful so bear with me and just hear me out.

I'm calling you (Turn 10 studios) out for your so-called great update that only just made the overall game play worse and not better. I thought you said you were aiming to make the game even better but it feels like more your going ass backwards instead of forward as you claimed. Nothing but lies and spewing BS as per usual/empty promises. Car Progression

We know that the progression system in Forza Motorsport is a divisive topic among our players. We’ve been gathering feedback from a variety of sources, including the Suggestions Hub, socials, forums, long-time players, and surveys to players who may not be as active on our traditional community gathering places.

It is clear from looking at feedback that while many of our players are enjoying the system as is, for many others it isn’t delivering the upgrade experience that they expect from Forza Motorsport. To address this, we are exploring changes to the system. Our goal with these changes is to retain what is working for those that enjoy it, while resolving the issues many of our most dedicated players have with the system.

Addressing this feedback is a top priority for the team going into 2024, however it will take some time to properly evaluate options, make the necessary code changes, and thoroughly test those code changes.

Forza Race Regulations

We are aware that Forza Race Regulations are not working as intended in some situations. We have heard about inconsistent or unfair penalties in instances of intentional ramming, being pushed off the track, and spinning cars pushing drivers off the track. We have also heard that high speed collisions sometimes have no penalties while low speed collisions have mild penalties. It’s important that we capture all the data that we can about a race when FRR rulings happen in error, so over the next few months, we will be working with some long-time competitive Motorsport players to gather direct telemetry from them while they’re playing. They will be capturing these instances and feeding data to our team so that we can issue tweaks to make FRR more accurate and reliable. We appreciate your patience as we work on improving the system.

AI

We have seen feedback about our AI’s driving behavior: abruptly braking and slowing down; not accelerating out of exits, braking too hard on mild corners, and following racing lines too strictly. We understand how important it is to have fair and competitive AI in Motorsport and are our top priorities in early 2024 are addressing overly aggressive AI, while also getting a cleaner race start into turn 1 where many of the issues above most severely manifest and impact players.

The 3 areas mentioned above are just a few examples of what we have seen most often and know you care passionately about. We care about these issues too. These and other issues are constantly being worked on, iterated, and given careful consideration. How and what we implement and when is driven by the desire to improve the experience regularly and consistently in a way that does not sacrifice stability and minimizes any downtime.

Thanks,
Andy Beaudoin, Forza Motorsport Game Director
Chris Esaki, Forza Motorsport Creative Director
Trevor Laupmanis, Forza Motorsport Executive Producer

Then act like you care then/give two ♥♥♥♥♥ if you want to keep your fan base around.

The update made the AI go AWOL and some of the upgrades and interior of the Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio are not present. The dashboard is completely missing and the gauge cluster doesn't light up during night races and the gauges are a jumbled crackled mess. It's like someone was angry and just punched and cracked it. The AI slows way down in the corners making it extremely hard for me to react in time and I have to slam on the brakes to avoid hitting them but I end up either clipping their rear bumper or having to go off the racing surface. Oh yeah, not to mention they drive at almost cruising speeds like 90 mph on straightaways like on the Daytona Roval. One constant/theme I noticed throughout the Alfa series is the Giulia's very poor handling and braking system even with my focus solely on the handling portion of the car as far as upgrades go and that did very little to nothing to curb/combat those issues. Uhhhhhhh, it's just nothing but bugs/Glitches, Bugs, Bugs, Bugs Galore. I just hope for the sake of all us gamers this Update #5 will fix all this hot garbage of a mess. Good news is the Nordschleife (sorry for my terrible spelling) is returning so there's that.

To sum it up, these are probably some of the most inept developers who so far are not delivering/ taking way too long on their promises on what has been an average/below average game I paid good money for. How long will it ACTUALLY take for them to fix the litany of issues plaguing this game? Months, years? Oh that's right it's a foreign concept to them. They should've actually finished the game fully before the launch date instead of half assing it and hoping it will work out. It won't work and it doesn't ever work in this industry. They've also done nothing but let down a whole lot of game players me included and are starting to test everyone's patience.

So go ahead and ban me/throw me off here, I don't give a damn. That's my rant. I apologize for this very long post. I needed to voice all of my frustrations and get them off my chest.

You do realise 5.0 is yet to be released right? 4.1 was a hotfix....

Read, Read, Read the post carefully. Yes Captain Obvious I know it isn't out yet otherwise the green play button would be the blue update button instead. this 4.1 hotfix didn't fix ♥♥♥♥, it made it worse and let me repeat myself AGAIN. I just hope for the sake of all us gamers this Update #5 will fix all this hot garbage of a mess.

[awdion354]

Originally posted by PAWNSTAR:

4.1 hotfix was a daytona bug fix of crashing at finish line.... think it was 74mb big.

The first half of your OP is A Fix over time could be 3 months could be a year who knows, who cares at this point after what we all witnessed ourselves in this game since launch
https://forza.net/news/forza-motorsport-update-5-fixes

You once called me an exploiter and you call people Captain Obvious when maybe you should look in the mirror.

Your AI wasnt changed in the hotfix update... you just gotta learn to drive around them thought 4 months of playing the game would of taught you this

and ranting on steam isnt the correct channel to get problems and issues resolved
as Yatchs jumped ship along time ago

If yatchs was here they would of said send a ticket to Support or email us with issues and bugs

Uh yeah my view of you hasn't changed. You must've did something questionable to get where you are now. I play the game legitimately and fairly. I do other activities like getting outside, doing my plastic hobby model kits, read a book/magazine, listen to music, etc. I take breaks from the game for a couple of days to give it a rest or I'm feeling fatigued. I don't sit on my ass all day in front of my screen 24/7 365. I have a life. The only reason I called him captain obvious is because I already knew for the past week what the developers already told me that he felt the need to repeat the same thing back to me which was oh the update/patch #5 hasn't come out yet.

[awdion354]

Originally posted by PAWNSTAR:

you like waffling on steam thinking it will fix the game, so i let you do what you do best
but your not as nearly bad as others who been doing it from launch expecting change

Well yeah. other players do it and it's an open discussion forum board so it's not like it's limited to only a select few gamers plus some one sent me a helpful link where hopefully T10 developers will actually read it and listen

[awdion354]

Originally posted by PAWNSTAR:

4 months later.....

better late than never and the link is in this thread. My game experience was okay before this hotfix made it go AWOL. Clearly they didn't think about how this patch would impact other players. Maybe i didn't see or receive the patch notes post so not all this is on me, this again falls on the developers/publishers. They designed and built the game and are the ones responsible for every detail that goes into it

[Viking2121]

This game has problems for sure, my biggest issue is the AI, I could have dealt with the other problems and content less mess this is, but the crappy AI is too much for me, I'd rather go play Horizon, at least it makes sense for the AI to be dumb and aggressive in that game.