AI is fixed

[dessgrantur]

I have a good experience in Career mode. AI drives almost great, it doesn't bump my ass every trun or on the start line and it drive carefully on turns. And AI doesn't make a lot of mistakes on 5/8. There were a lot of situations when AI went out on turns (2-3 cars on the same turn without any reason), when AI was too slow on the straight.
Maybe it's not the best AI in the world, but it became better than in many racing games.

There are some problems with ballance, but AI is not so bad.

[Mexicola9302]

Just stand still on the middle of the track, block the whole track. Then you see how bad the AI really is. The AI IS BAAAAAAAAAAAAAD, it's the WOOOOOOOOOORST.

[dessgrantur]

Originally posted by Mexicola9302:

Just stand still on the middle of the track, block the whole track. Then you see how bad the AI really is. The AI IS BAAAAAAAAAAAAAD, it's the WOOOOOOOOOORST.

I tested it on the starting line. I didn't gas up and the opponents just drove around me. Until the last update, the opponents kicked me in the ass.
It seems to me that there is a small problem if you stop right in front of the opponent, leaving him no room to overtake. In this case, I noticed that the enemy can blunt and crash. But this does not interfere with racing. I also tried to stop on the trajectory in a straight line and on turns, and the opponents even went around me on the turn.

[Mexicola9302]

You can give them a kilometer or minutes of room to brake, it doesn't change a thing. Because they can't detect what is in front of them. I think they only detect each other but no players.

[Mexicola9302]

https://youtu.be/F5lKjwBP2lg?t=2518

I did the same like in the video and they NEVER drove around me or braked to get slower. No they just rammed me with fullspeed.

[SzymonL]

AI is dumb like devs of this crap.

[Specky4eyes]

The only time i trust the AI not to behave like"super,duper,dodgems" is when i've got a 5 second gap in front and a 5 second gap behind......so not really recommended for close,exciting racing.

AI 3/10 and that's being generous.

[Quick☢420™]

Originally posted by dessgrantur:

I have a good experience in Career mode. AI drives almost great, it doesn't bump my ass every trun or on the start line and it drive carefully on turns. And AI doesn't make a lot of mistakes on 5/8. There were a lot of situations when AI went out on turns (2-3 cars on the same turn without any reason), when AI was too slow on the straight.
Maybe it's not the best AI in the world, but it became better than in many racing games.

There are some problems with ballance, but AI is not so bad.

They AI has improved a little bit,but more tweaking is definately needed to really make this game playable for the highly critical racers out there.I personally have a hoot just the way they are,predictably dumb and easy to trick.In a year or so when there are many more tracks added and the AI is throughly tested they should be ready to release the completed game......OOPS

[Voodoochile]

It absolutely isn't. There is no significant change to the AI since launch. They are abysmal. Their behavior is straight up DQ worthy in real racing scenario.

They brake check constantly.
They can't drive in group at ALL.
They sway and turn-in towards the player on straights like in an action movie when trying to overtake them.
They go out of the racing line just to block you and miss their braking flying off track
They miss corners completely (not even on the brakes) and take out 3-4 cars with them along the way.

The only way you think the AI is okay is when you are still learning the game.
Once you get to the point where you race them at 8/8 you will see how exceptionally poor they really are, even 1v1.

[Voodoochile]

Watch this race I had today. I start from last on difficulty 8/8

https://youtu.be/BPZjxyKk6Qo?si=ccwtaUAebnU6MsJ1

Some highlights:
1:25 -> Red car getting pushed off the racing line. Doesn't brake until in the grass
1:45 -> Orange car brake checks the AI in front me
2:15 -> Same car doesn't notice me, gets scared and runs wide in the grass
3:45 -> Blue Aston doing random brake checks. Runs wide. Game gives me penalty 1s.
6:25 -> Leaves the racing line when we are already parallel to squeeze me off track
8:30 -> Brutal brake check. I shoot wide to avoid him.
9:10 -> Again, leaves the racing line while we are already parallel to make contact and block me. Doesn't slow down enough to make the corner and completely overshoots it. I get a "Warning"

There are timestamps in the description to click it trough

You could be right that they are learning, because they definitely drive like "learner drivers"
T10 should give them a glowing "L" sign on the roof and slap a "Driving school" livery on all AI haha

[Voodoochile]

Originally posted by PAWNSTAR:

what level are you now?

~950ish

Originally posted by PAWNSTAR:

yea very clean start
red car is normal from a bump , orange car broke to early
3:12 you naughty boy
3:50 you naughty boy
8:30 aint a brake check as all AI brakes at mostly the same point in most tracks

3:12 he didn't accelerate. You can see he catches up very fast to me after that.
Yea, they brake at the same wrong places even on max difficulty, which to me is a brake check. He is jumping on the brakes on a straight...

Originally posted by PAWNSTAR:

your on steering wheel me thinks as your dont seem to be controller twitchy , damn amd uses alot of vram

I am using a PS5 controller
And yea, AMD is very generous with the VRAM hahah

[Voodoochile]

Originally posted by PAWNSTAR:

You got mad throttle control keep up the great work
i think you deserve to buy yourself a baby steering wheel to see if you like it

Thanks very much! I have a sim rig but it's folded away, because we don't have space for it currently, hah.

I agree, I am kinda nitpicking at the AI. Generally, it's okay-ish but I was expecting so much more from a game with "Motorsport" in the name. In the end the AI seems at the level of Horizon. They fly off the track, block and brake check just like that lol

[Voodoochile]

Originally posted by PAWNSTAR:

dont underistimate the NIO hypercar too that one suprised me

Oh, yea, I really loved the NIO. I got through some of the featured career with it and it was a blast. Really changes the pace to use an electric car. I will follow your tips for setting up races to get the most out of the AI. Now around the holidays I will have a bit more time and I want to try some longer races. Maybe 1-2h endurance style.

[Voodoochile]

Originally posted by PAWNSTAR:

i just got into my lvl 1 2020 KTM xbow GT2 car to level for the first time on Yas Marina Full circuit and my AI just destroyed me and i cant keep up

I think there are some cars which aren't very competitive in their class without some basic upgrades and tuning. Either that or the AI is stronger in some cars and weaker in others.

[Voodoochile]

Originally posted by PAWNSTAR:

None of what i said is achievable through single player campaign

Yes, in Freeplay there are some crazy races you can currate yourself with the AI. Makes me wonder why T10 are not setting up races like that for the Career. A lot of people will experience just the Career and get a feeling of extremely shallow racing. Shame really.

Originally posted by PAWNSTAR:

I have only recently weined myself off control pad to steering wheel as i always found it a hassle to setup the clunky foldable rig which takes up space and i prefered the control pad and couch potato setup.

Control pad is a dream once you master it. You need a good pad as well. I've tested about 6-7 already from different brands incl. the official ones. Have to say the PS5 Dualsense is the best. No deadzones. Super precise. Can be overclocked to 1ms on PC and by using software like DualSenseX (it's on Steam) you can use some crazy features like progressive resistance for you brakes on the trigger. You can really feel when the brakes are about to lock up with ABS off.

But anyways. Don't want to get too much off-topic. The AI does feel okay and there are ways to make it perform better as you described. I just think T10 really need to work on it alongside the stability/optimization of the game. Hopefully they are prioritizing these things and not just the new content.

[Voodoochile]

Originally posted by PAWNSTAR:

funny enough another technique would be to give yourself a 1 second penalty ( which is just completely back off throttle for a sec or two) if you love tapped someone or just contact in general, this usually

1. prevents you from aquiring a penalty
2. you will notice the AI will back off later down the track if they love tapped you like they did something wrong or by accident

but dont keep bumping into them just to get past or they will return the favour

Yes, I've avoided so many penalties by backing of the throttle. Especially in corner cutting or going wide. If you don't let go of the throttle, the game thinks that it's intentional to gain advantage and gives you a penalty. I think the same applies to contacts as you are mentioning here. It's a good advice for both single and multiplayer.