Can any of you legit beat the AI starting from last position?

[Swaggaccino]

Difficulty of say 4 or more AND clean race? I've been doing it but hardly any of my races are clean. The problem is the AI which treats the race like a Mad Max race. There's plenty of crashes, some of which I'm not even responsible for and usually a 5+ car pileup. Or they will outright slam into me if I'm even slightly aggressive at a corner and you need to be aggressive to reach anywhere near the top 3 because they legit exist just to slow you down while top 3 pull away. My lap times are always the fastest but it's hard to overtake these cars which feel like are actively holding you back. Is it just me or do you guys feel the same way?

[Jack Danny Baby]

This does seem to be an issue of them clumping up. To answer your question yes I can I run on difficulty six with no assists sim steering using just manual (manual clutch on my controller is kinda messed up that's my controller not the game) and the second realism setting. I do not think I could run with full damage and no rewinds. They are simply too aggressive.

My advice is to go to settings and turn proximity arrows on and increase your FOV and turn on the drift camera so your guy automatically looks towards the apex this helps spot them coming into the corners. They shouldn't be ramming and they do and they shouldn't be clumping up and they do that is on Forza to fix but a lot of times I get rammed out of what I feel is nowhere only to realize I just cut into someones line while they are full on the brakes and cannot avoid me. I'm pretty good and I'm sure you've done this too a few times so try and eliminate that and while it's still a problem with them clumping and reduces the issue a bit until forza fixes the tendency for them to stop running in groups and then crashing you.

[ele]

Yes. They will always cut you off and try crash you though it seems, so it's not 'clean' on their side.

[MysticalPotato]

Originally posted by Swaggaccino:

Difficulty of say 4 or more AND clean race? I've been doing it but hardly any of my races are clean. The problem is the AI which treats the race like a Mad Max race. There's plenty of crashes, some of which I'm not even responsible for and usually a 5+ car pileup. Or they will outright slam into me if I'm even slightly aggressive at a corner and you need to be aggressive to reach anywhere near the top 3 because they legit exist just to slow you down while top 3 pull away. My lap times are always the fastest but it's hard to overtake these cars which feel like are actively holding you back. Is it just me or do you guys feel the same way?

Yep, Every race I'm beating AI on 4. On 5 it's not possible from the back though.

[Moga CMDR]

i can start last at lemans at max difficulty and get in front before the end of the straight. Is that cheating?

But yeah, AI clumps a lot. Exploit track limits when possible to get around them.

[Kozzy]

Not myself no, but my dad has done it multiple times with his Wheel setup. I can't come even close though myself lol. He makes sure not to touch anyone at the start and just drives smart. Here I am still racing on 3 and 4, my dads at the highest doing awesome haha. Atleast he lets me keep up when we do races :)

[Lovecheese45]

I did it on 4 starting in last place... but it had the lane assist. Then I turned it off and came dead last next race. It's my first Forza and first racing game since NFS from like 2005.

I suck at braking so gotta learn before I go into real challenges.

[JackieTheDemon]

Yes, it's pretty easy.

[Voodoochile]

Yes, I've done it once on "8". You just need to overtake them on the first lap, because when they are still in a pack they either drive like it's the highway or half of them go on the grass first 5 corners. Don't see what the point is, tho. Very immersion breaking stuff.

[Nik2Ez]

I quite consistantly beat the Ai on 6 startin from last third of grid. Ai is a bit aggressive at times so it doesn't always work out. You don't need to win every race tho. Also tried it on 5 which was quite a bit easier. Won most races on 5 with like a 5-10 second lead so i went back to 6. Depends on the track and car combination as well. It's a bit inconsistant

[[SRS13]Rastus(TTT)]

This for me is the biggest joke in the game.
with AI on 5 I was 3 seconds a lap faster round Maple Valley. started from the back and was in 1st by lap 2, with only an occasional side swipe.
I did a levelling up race at Spa, 13 laps and was back of the grid.
By the end of the race I was 2 minutes out front and lapped the last 5 cars.
Saying the AI is a complete JOKE is an understatement.
They brake test you when there's NOTHING in front of them...
They side swipe you as you pass them even though there's nothing on the opposite side of them.
They'll tail end shunt you in the braking zones as if you aint even there.
If they happen to cause you to spin they'll just keep going, again as if you aint even there.
As for MP? Hoppers instead of lobby lists? SERIOUSLY....?
Also a "bumper car" ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ more often than not with muppets gleefully shouting about how they took you out...

On top of this the gfx look blurry af with ANY object more than 30m in front of you...
Replays? Appear to be locked to 16:9 despite me having a 32:9 screen so to actually get the "best" vids for YT I'll have to record live footage which will hit the fps hard (even on my 5800X + 7900XTX rig).
Not recorded any vids yet but when this is how AMS2 looks in replays and FM7 looks like someone smeared vaseline on my monitor, summat aint right, it's like the game overrides my chosen settings. Also note the AI RACE you and each other instead of smashing into you, making for a far more enjoyable experience altogether.
https://youtu.be/tNrOUodxRs0?si=tvGhYaznX1oumPPT
Also note the fps rate bottom left in green (you'll see it when set to 4K quality which STILL doesn't do AMS2 any justice thanks to YT compression).
Then there's the ghosting.. So bad cars out in front leave black trails behind them on the tramac for about a car length making them look like their wheels are 2-3 times their diameter.

It's sad, in fact, it's really TRAGIC! Because the game DOES looks stunning for everything close to you. Whilst all distant object make me feel my eyes are failing on me and I might need glasses!
The FFB is WOEFULLY bad without some SERIOUS tinkering but once dialled in it's 2nd to none.
The gameplay, aside from the atrocious AI behaviour, is great though.
I'll have to do some form of comparison vids. Not side by side as I aint got any editing software.
The plus's are the reason I'm keeping the game, there's HUGE potential here MS/T10 just need to LISTEN to their fans and not make the mistakes SMS made with PC3 and Codies made with Grid 2019 and Grid Legends, such as..
Ian Bell stating things like "PC3 will be all the sim you'll want.." and "If PC4 is fantasic, it was all me, if not I left 6 months ago..."
Codies total failure to address GLARING issues like HUD locked to the far left of the screen, "Fixing" it by locking it to the far left and far right making it utterly USELESS then posting comments like "No plans to fix the HUD on Ultrawides but we'll consider it for future titles..." and "No plans to fix LOD pop in but we'll consider it for future titles..."
THIS BS is why SMS was disbanded and PC4 cancelled by EA then, Ian Bell was fired as SMS CEO closely followed out the door by Codies CEO..

These downsides are the main reason I'll be sticking to AMS2 for online races, that and the RIDICULOUS decision to limit fps in rivals to 60 fps and half my refresh rate in online races to promote "Fairness"....
Guess I'll be getting that 1440P 240Hz 49" 32:9 panel cause then I'll be able to race online above 75fps, especially as I'm getting upto 120fps atm on my current settings.
Kinda makes their aim of "fairness" in online a total joke as the biggest "advantage" in racing games is between 30 and 60fps yet the difference between 60 and 120fps is well within margin of error.
https://youtu.be/F2dPIHPNOeY?si=S4dNXpM2qYU6It6M

T10/MS chose limiting fps over increasing it and forcing worse GFX just so capping the consoles to 60fps makes the game look a bit better rather than being honest that the XSX was NEVER a native 4K 60fps console...
I just wish I could turn off crossplay and avoid the 5 year old grown men who think winning by punting people off track is the norm.