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Voodoochile 9 out. 2023 às 13:07
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PC2 vs Forza Motorsport video comparison
I recorded two similar videos today. One of Project Cars 2 from 2017 and the other from Forza Motorsport 2023.

Track: Watkins Glen full course
Car: Mercedes-AMG c63s Coupe
Time: 10:00
Weather: Heavy Rain
AI: 10 bots
Resolution: 1440p 60FPS
PC2: Maxed out
Forza Motorsport: Can't max out at 60fps but highest possible settings for my PC. Benchmark for reference below:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3048432064

If someone can record a maxed out video with these settings on Forza Motorsport, please upload and I will replace mine with it. I think I could squeeze a bit more visuals but can't do full Ray Tracing. Let me know what you think.

https://youtu.be/QhCxQTC85EY

https://youtu.be/0KfPh8orTx4?si=Jlr8_na-EAgB_QhX

Second video with maxed settings and full Ray Tracing (settings at end of race)
https://youtu.be/5dISKlrCzUo?si=6cxpbKb9HS3lsDfS

and same time & weather in PC2
https://youtu.be/Suia-MAIH4M?si=Kp6u7nulc5peBbe6

Side by side comparison below:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3049054654&fileuploadsuccess=1
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3049054460&fileuploadsuccess=1
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3049054268&fileuploadsuccess=1
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Goldenhawk5219 10 out. 2023 às 2:55 
The fov in Forza is way too low. Is there any way to change the fov?
Voodoochile 10 out. 2023 às 3:07 
Originalmente postado por Goldenhawk5219:
The fov in Forza is way too low. Is there any way to change the fov?

Yes you can adjust the FOV for every camera in Forza Motorsport.
ARCHI7EC7 10 out. 2023 às 8:42 
I feel like xbox games always start out with crappy optimization that punishes most CPUs for whatever reason. I'm waiting a month to see if it gets any optimizations.
ZoobiePlayz 10 out. 2023 às 9:41 
amazing! welcome to pc gaming 2020>
Thalinor 10 out. 2023 às 11:25 
Given how many years separation in release date there is between these two titles, you would think Forza would look better and at least run smoothly on modern hardware. Guess M$ was spending too much time celebrating Juenteenth and Rainbow bright month while good-old-bill was flying around on those private jets with the LO's in their little undies serving him cocktails, while he came up with another speech about how the peasants are to blame for global warming, and ironically is still NOT a virologist.

Anyway, thanks for the video uploads. This post and a few other reviews saved me $100.

Maybe M$ should hire based on skill and performance, instead of trying to boost their companies ESG Score. <- That may make better games?
RL 101 10 out. 2023 às 12:09 
- Much more detail on screen in Forza, both the water on surfaces and the effects of rain. PC2 seems poorer in details.

- Also more detailed scenario, you only have to see the part where they go up the hill, which in PC2 there is nothing in the background and in Forza there are several background elements.

- In Forza the rest of the cars that pass by you look wet (it varies from other circumstances when they are dry), in PC2 they look the same both wet and dry.

- This is crucial: The animations in PC2 of the rest of the cars seem more boxed, as if it were a moving shoebox, in Forza the movements are more graceful and realistic (even with a slight swing not only from left to right, but also from top to bottom), which gives a greater sense of realism in the race and on the track when the other cars pass by you. Example: In the Forza video, when the black car passes you on your left (from minute 1:56 to 2:01), the car makes a slight sway to the left and right (as if it were a "snake") and a slight up and down movement that feels elegant and natural, just like it happens in reality. In PC2 that is non-existent, since the other cars move as if it were a block, without that detailed grace.

- In the Forza video you say that the RT needs to be squeezed, despite this some elements on the sides are moderately reflected on the side of the track (min. 2.33), both the lights above the banner, as well as the fences and other things that are above. That's consistent with pouring rain, while PC2 lacks those effects and the entire track feels less vivid (in the same section, min. 4.35, the track looks absolutely dead).

- The most important thing is that the general feeling in Forza, when putting all the elements together, gives a feeling of realism and of being there on the track.

- It can be stated without a doubt that Forza Motorsport is currently the track driving game with the best graphics and greatest sense of realism. And I'm not just saying this because of this video, but because of other more detailed ones that I have seen at different times of the day with different weather (the way the pilot's arm is reflected in the windshield and how the sun's rays pass through during rush hour, and on a completely clear day, on the dashboard, with the shadow-light effect alternating in motion dynamically, it is completely crazy)
DARIUS 10 out. 2023 às 12:21 
I have 3080 Ti paired with 11700f, and on high to ultra settings on 1440p with 75 to 95 FPS, the game looks much better than in your video. The game is not optimised well, it also has this weird camera stutter without v-sync. I hope they patch it soon so we all can enjoy it.
Toran Blackwater 10 out. 2023 às 12:30 
Originalmente postado por Voodoochile:
I recorded two similar videos today. One of Project Cars 2 from 2017 and the other from Forza Motorsport 2023.

Track: Watkins Glen full course
Car: Mercedes-AMG c63s Coupe
Time: 10:00
Weather: Heavy Rain
AI: 10 bots
Resolution: 1440p 60FPS
PC2: Maxed out
Forza Motorsport: Can't max out at 60fps but highest possible settings for my PC. Benchmark for reference below:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3048432064

If someone can record a maxed out video with these settings on Forza Motorsport, please upload and I will replace mine with it. I think I could squeeze a bit more visuals but can't do full Ray Tracing. Let me know what you think.

https://youtu.be/QhCxQTC85EY

https://youtu.be/0KfPh8orTx4?si=Jlr8_na-EAgB_QhX

Not your settings but 4K (2K with DLDSR 2.25) with Digital Foundry's optimised settings (shown at the beginning):
https://youtu.be/VT0MJ6LGGKY
(mind the game actually ran smoother than seen in the YT video, FPS counter on the top).

The scenery is very similar. Kyalami at noon with heavy rain, full grid. I think weather representation is what FM 2023 excels in and when the game looks at its best. Last minute shows the same track on a clear day (a bit pale for a summer day in South Africa, I think).
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Pasadena O'Possum 10 out. 2023 às 13:05 
Comparing it to PC2 is giving it too much credit, go back further... to the days of 512MB RAM, 3 core PowerPC CPUs and DVD-based storage with ~16 MB transfer rates. That is where the best comparison lies, in 2007: https://youtu.be/6tPsDQcuIyw?t=22319
Voodoochile 10 out. 2023 às 13:40 
Originalmente postado por RL 101:
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- In the Forza video you say that the RT needs to be squeezed, despite this some elements on the sides are moderately reflected on the side of the track (min. 2.33), both the lights above the banner, as well as the fences and other things that are above. That's consistent with pouring rain, while PC2 lacks those effects and the entire track feels less vivid (in the same section, min. 4.35, the track looks absolutely dead).

I am sorry, I just don't see the same things you do. Here is one of the comparison you describe is in favor of Forza:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3048902296&fileuploadsuccess=1

In PC2 on the kerb there is even a puddle of water that is fully reflective and the overall difference in texture quality and resolution is striking.
Voodoochile 10 out. 2023 às 13:49 
With risk of BSOD my PC again I made another video, this time everything on ULTRA with FULL Ray Tracing. The FPS is ~50 so not the smoothest but it's the best I could squeeze.

This time I am using Clear Weather, 10:00 AM in both games.

https://youtu.be/5dISKlrCzUo?si=5I5jcKSnJumFprG4

https://youtu.be/Suia-MAIH4M?si=ixoEGlaH94_PSogP
Voodoochile 10 out. 2023 às 13:59 
Originalmente postado por Toran Blackwater:
Not your settings but 4K (2K with DLDSR 2.25) with Digital Foundry's optimised settings (shown at the beginning):
https://youtu.be/VT0MJ6LGGKY
(mind the game actually ran smoother than seen in the YT video, FPS counter on the top).

Sorry mate, looks damn terrible even in 4K. Just look at 6:16
It's like the whole scene is rendered at 480p and upscaled to 4K.
Última alteração por Voodoochile; 10 out. 2023 às 14:02
onemanhitsquad 10 out. 2023 às 15:02 
hell the mercedes circle in the middle of the steering wheel is complete and round
Toran Blackwater 10 out. 2023 às 15:06 
Originalmente postado por Voodoochile:
Originalmente postado por Toran Blackwater:
Not your settings but 4K (2K with DLDSR 2.25) with Digital Foundry's optimised settings (shown at the beginning):
https://youtu.be/VT0MJ6LGGKY
(mind the game actually ran smoother than seen in the YT video, FPS counter on the top).

Sorry mate, looks damn terrible even in 4K. Just look at 6:16
It's like the whole scene is rendered at 480p and upscaled to 4K.
Damn terrible, right... In that regard all the videos look rubbish. Compressed shadowplay videos compressed again by YT.

Didn't like the inconsistent FPS and the bleak graphics in Project Cars (1&2), so I refunded them on release. Can't compare them directly now.
not_again.exe 10 out. 2023 às 15:44 
Originalmente postado por Goldenhawk5219:
The fov in Forza is way too low. Is there any way to change the fov?
Funnily, changing that setting does nothing for me. I move the slider but FOV stays the same
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