REVIEW from a long term sim racer.

[PremiumOctane]

Do not buy this game. You will regret it. If you are like me and have played many other sim racing games, such as iRacing AC/ACC and love sim racing. This is not going to improve the sim racing or simcade genre. This is not even simcade it is full arcade. Even Project cars 2 and GT7 are miles better then this trash. Hack IMO even as a arcade game Forza Horizon series is better.

THE GOOD.
1. It does have a FOV slider.
2. Replays maybe are slightly better.
And that is it for the good. Sad I know.

THE BAD.
1. Physics are absolutely appalling. They do not even resemble a car what so ever.
If you do a slalom test, the cars do not move or pitch as they should, there is almost no body roll. Even doing 160mph in a stock car then braking hard the nose of the car does not pitch forward as it should. The cars feel like something from the Flintstones. I could go on with many many more examples but i am not going to wast my breath.
2. Force feedback is awful even after changing many settings in game and on my Fanatec DD1. Anyone that says its good or ok after changing settings is lying. You can not have good or quality FFB if the physics are mediocre.
3.Another one is when you change the profile of your tires there is no visual representation that you did, they look the same. Plus if put new wheels on your car you can not change the offset.
4. Up Grading cars as most know is locked behind levelling your car up.
5. AI is as bad as FM7
6. Tracks. No Nordschleife plus there is just not enough tracks for a game that supposedly has been in development for years.
7. Poor optimisation even my 4090 struggles with this game. DLSS does not work. Maybe a driver update will fix it but do not hold your breath.
8. I have had multiple PC crashes.

THE UGLY.
1. The graphics are horrible for a next gen game. Everything is washed out. Textures are muddy and blurry looking. The cars look very cartoonish, especially after they get a scratch or some dust on them. On track they look nothing like they do when you view them in the garage, especially the AI cars on track, they look like they are from XBOX 360. Even in the garage some cars are not the best. Forza Horizon 5 looks way better IMO. Even the og AC with mods is better.

I had high hopes for Forza Motorsports reboot. I thought it would be some what like GT7 a good simcade racer. I was hoping I would be able to relax and play and watch some beautiful cars in replay mode. Then play some multi player with
some of my friends that do not have a PC to play the real sims. How ever i was thoroughly disppointed. I really hope that GT7 comes to PC so that can happen.

[patrick68794]

You must be a terrible "long term sim racer" lol I've owned several of the cars in the game (S550 Mustang GT, Supercharged MR2, Audi RS3, 300ZX) and they all feel pretty accurate to their real life counterparts. You're also horrendously wrong about cars not having body roll, there are some cars that have so much that you can cause oversteer and drift from the weight transfer just by letting off the gas. Sounds like you're the one lying and trying to project to discredit people that have actually played the game or that just don't suck at racing sims.

[Krasher]

Thank you my brother, i was thinking of buying this game but you confirmed what i feared most, this game is still in Early Access maybe i will get it after some months when it has had some serious and desperately needed updates... The price also seems way too high for what is essentially FM7+

[BigCheese]

Messaggio originale di my name is john:

Thank you my brother, i was thinking of buying this game but you confirmed what i feared most, this game is still in Early Access :crying_yeti: maybe i will get it after some months when it has had some serious and desperately needed updates... The price also seems way too high for what is essentially FM7+

Most of his criticisms are wrong. I honestly wonder if he really played the game.

[オナニー]

Messaggio originale di patrick68794:

You must be a terrible "long term sim racer" lol I've owned several of the cars in the game (S550 Mustang GT, Supercharged MR2, Audi RS3, 300ZX) and they all feel pretty accurate to their real life counterparts. You're also horrendously wrong about cars not having body roll, there are some cars that have so much that you can cause oversteer and drift from the weight transfer just by letting off the gas. Sounds like you're the one lying and trying to project to discredit people that have actually played the game or that just don't suck at racing sims.

Simulating weight transfer is like the one of the first steps in making a form of sim... Any competent modern game can do that. I'd also like to point out how they marketed "8 points of tyre contact" meanwhile ACC only uses 5... Something doesnt add up for this simcade game

[PremiumOctane]

Messaggio originale di patrick68794:

You must be a terrible "long term sim racer" lol I've owned several of the cars in the game (S550 Mustang GT, Supercharged MR2, Audi RS3, 300ZX) and they all feel pretty accurate to their real life counterparts. You're also horrendously wrong about cars not having body roll, there are some cars that have so much that you can cause oversteer and drift from the weight transfer just by letting off the gas. Sounds like you're the one lying and trying to project to discredit people that have actually played the game or that just don't suck at racing sims.

On the FFB and physics Jimmy Broadbent, did say on his video how awful it was as well. Plus SuperGT was playing with a game pad in his first online race which says it all. As a side note to remember most of the content creators, will not say how mediocre this game is as they want the fan boys views. Also i have had a HSV gen f LSA clubby, Mustang GT 2019 with a 2650 harrop blower, BMW M4 2017 and many more. Also i have done many track days in them. None of them in this game feel even close to the real cars. Hack the cars modded into the OG AC are even better.

[patrick68794]

Messaggio originale di Cadillac V-Series.R LMDh 5.5L V8:

Messaggio originale di patrick68794:

You must be a terrible "long term sim racer" lol I've owned several of the cars in the game (S550 Mustang GT, Supercharged MR2, Audi RS3, 300ZX) and they all feel pretty accurate to their real life counterparts. You're also horrendously wrong about cars not having body roll, there are some cars that have so much that you can cause oversteer and drift from the weight transfer just by letting off the gas. Sounds like you're the one lying and trying to project to discredit people that have actually played the game or that just don't suck at racing sims.

Simulating weight transfer is like the one of the first steps in making a form of sim... Any competent modern game can do that. I'd also like to point out how they marketed "8 points of tyre contact" meanwhile ACC only uses 5... Something doesnt add up for this simcade game

I was countering a specific incorrect point that the OP made

[patrick68794]

Messaggio originale di PremiumOctane:

Messaggio originale di patrick68794:

You must be a terrible "long term sim racer" lol I've owned several of the cars in the game (S550 Mustang GT, Supercharged MR2, Audi RS3, 300ZX) and they all feel pretty accurate to their real life counterparts. You're also horrendously wrong about cars not having body roll, there are some cars that have so much that you can cause oversteer and drift from the weight transfer just by letting off the gas. Sounds like you're the one lying and trying to project to discredit people that have actually played the game or that just don't suck at racing sims.

On the FFB and physics Jimmy Broadbent, did say on his video how awful it was as well. Plus SuperGT was playing with a game pad in his first online race which says it all. As a side note to remember most of the content creators, will not say how mediocre this game is as they want the fan boys views. Also i have had a HSV gen f LSA clubby, Mustang GT 2019 with a 2650 harrop blower, BMW M4 2017 and many more. Also i have done many track days in them. None of them in this game feel even close to the real cars. Hack the cars modded into the OG AC are even better.

lol if you say so little fella. Definitely getting a "I'm going to one up your post to try and discredit it" energy from this comment

[Your Favorite Eggo]

Messaggio originale di Quick☢420™:

Messaggio originale di PremiumOctane:

Do not buy this game. You will regret it. If you are like me and have played many other sim racing games, such as iRacing AC/ACC and love sim racing. This is not going to improve the sim racing or simcade genre. This is not even simcade it is full arcade. Even Project cars 2 and GT7 are miles better then this trash. Hack IMO even as a arcade game Forza Horizon series is better.

THE GOOD.
1. It does have a FOV slider.
2. Replays maybe are slightly better.
And that is it for the good. Sad I know.

THE BAD.
1. Physics are absolutely appalling. They do not even resemble a car what so ever.
If you do a slalom test, the cars do not move or pitch as they should, there is almost no body roll. Even doing 160mph in a stock car then braking hard the nose of the car does not pitch forward as it should. The cars feel like something from the Flintstones. I could go on with many many more examples but i am not going to wast my breath.
2. Force feedback is awful even after changing many settings in game and on my Fanatec DD1. Anyone that says its good or ok after changing settings is lying. You can not have good or quality FFB if the physics are mediocre.
3. Up Grading cars as most know is locked behind levelling your car up.
4. AI is as bad as FM7
5. Tracks. No Nordschleife plus there is just not enough tracks for a game that supposedly has been in development for years.
6. Poor optimisation even my 4090 struggles with this game. DLSS does not work. Maybe a driver update will fix it but do not hold your breath.
7. I have had multiple PC crashes.

THE UGLY.
1. The graphics are horrible for a next gen game. Everything is washed out. Textures are muddy and blurry looking. The cars look very cartoonish, especially after they get a scratch or some dust on them. On track they look nothing like they do when you view them in the garage. Even in the garage they are not the best. Forza Horizon 5 looks way better IMO. Even the og AC with mods is better.

I had high hopes for Forza Motorsports reboot. I thought it would be some what like GT7 a good simcade racer. I was hoping I would be able to relax and play and watch some beautiful cars in replay mod. Then play some multi player with
some of my friends that do not have a PC to play the real sims. How ever i was thoroughly disppointed. I really hope that GT7 comes to PC so that can happen.

Another case of One mans opinion to rule all? Was this meant to take on iracing or ACC or AMS2 as a full on sim? I don't think so personally.What we have here is a QOL update to the Forza formula with many welcome additions to the game.I see the game as a simcade type,with great graphics and hdr that actually looks good.The ffb on my end is much better than FM7 and cars feel much more like they are actually cornering as apposed to sliding like FM7. I really like the new menus and the replays are much smoother.They need to keep improving the game with updates and I;m sure we will see many more qol tweaks coming down the pipeline.... This is a very good start and not copy/paste cash grab.Turn10 has a lot to be proud of,but more work to do as well....

If only everyone could give this type of constructive criticism. Basically "hey the game is fun, but a few things could be better". I think there is a fundamental difference in how "sim racers" see racing games. They don't look at them as video games, they look at them as an extension of reality. If you try to criticize something like the tire model in iracing, or the braking in ACC, you will get people saying stuff like "that's how it works in real life" because they have a hard time rationalizing the definition of a simulation... its not real lol.

Sorry for going off on a tangent but they have even done this to professional race car drivers lol. During the pandemic a lot of series were doing virtual races and the one that always stuck out the most to me was IndyCar drivers always crashing trying to get on pit road because the tires in iRacing have a very small window of feedback when driving on the limit. The drivers had a laugh about it and were like "what do you expect, it's a game" and the iracing community has basically thrown IndyCar to the side ever since. There are also a few gt3 drivers who have made comments about the physics of certain sims who basically become villains in some of the diehard sim communities.

I hate admitting to my sins, but Forza is actually the game that got me into sim racing a long time ago. I've played all the sims other than rennsport. They all have strengths and weaknesses, but some communities are allowed to talk about these things and not become a pariah.

[Aries WOZNIAK]

Messaggio originale di PremiumOctane:

Messaggio originale di Daniel Veilside:

its trash

AGREED

Sorry but even ACC or iRacing isn't close to reality. Yes, steering and force feedback might feel realistic, but you will never feel the true force of the car like on bumps.

You might be a pro with LMP1 cars in iRacing, but try the same in real car. I'm sure you and everyone else would just bottle it in a minute. It's like me being a pro at Dirt Rally 2.0 and then try the same thing in a true rally car.
Sim Racing will never come close to practice in a true racing car.

There are exceptions like Jimmer who constantly drives on racing circuits with his Miata and other JDMs, not mentioning Praga.

[PremiumOctane]

Messaggio originale di patrick68794:

Messaggio originale di PremiumOctane:

On the FFB and physics Jimmy Broadbent, did say on his video how awful it was as well. Plus SuperGT was playing with a game pad in his first online race which says it all. As a side note to remember most of the content creators, will not say how mediocre this game is as they want the fan boys views. Also i have had a HSV gen f LSA clubby, Mustang GT 2019 with a 2650 harrop blower, BMW M4 2017 and many more. Also i have done many track days in them. None of them in this game feel even close to the real cars. Hack the cars modded into the OG AC are even better.

lol if you say so little fella. Definitely getting a "I'm going to one up your post to try and discredit it" energy from this comment

Just pointing out the facts m8. How does anyone know if you even have played the game when your profile is locked. Plus your Steam level is 0. Anyway i got a refund so all good.

[La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo]

your opinion but im enjoying it, graphics look great on 4k ultra to me so

[patrick68794]

Messaggio originale di PremiumOctane:

Messaggio originale di patrick68794:

lol if you say so little fella. Definitely getting a "I'm going to one up your post to try and discredit it" energy from this comment

Just pointing out the facts m8. How does anyone know if you even have played the game when your profile is locked. Plus your Steam level is 0. Anyway i got a refund so all good.

Lol your "facts" about the cars not feeling pretty accurate are wrong. Your "fact" about not having body roll in your review is wrong. Your "fact" about FFB not working very well is wrong.

I have the game on game pass:
https://imgur.com/xbPoIPy

Pretty funny that you're trying to use my steam level to discredit my comments when nobody can verify that you've played the game on Steam.

[Voodoochile]

Messaggio originale di PremiumOctane:

Messaggio originale di pestif:

Hey PremiumTrash calm down, I know your feeling are hurt because I put you in your place exposing your fantasy world of simcade that doesn't exist and never existed, you are trash at games, just assume that you are so bad that you need to find excuse when you sucks so much and move on, Forza is a simulation, not a simcade, and you are trash, both of these are facts.

Yes i suck at sim racing thats why in iRacing i have a 5200 irating and nearly 50% win ratio out of nearly 500 official races. I think most people can tell the difference between simcade and a sim. But not man that look down at there penis and think its a vagina. Then look at a car and think its a tractor.

Bro, we just want to play realistic racing games on our couch...
My sim rig is collecting dust behind me. I don't have the time for that. If you do, GOOD FOR YOU. This game is not for your type of style.

[Aries WOZNIAK]

Messaggio originale di PremiumOctane:

Messaggio originale di patrick68794:

You must be a terrible "long term sim racer" lol I've owned several of the cars in the game (S550 Mustang GT, Supercharged MR2, Audi RS3, 300ZX) and they all feel pretty accurate to their real life counterparts. You're also horrendously wrong about cars not having body roll, there are some cars that have so much that you can cause oversteer and drift from the weight transfer just by letting off the gas. Sounds like you're the one lying and trying to project to discredit people that have actually played the game or that just don't suck at racing sims.

On the FFB and physics Jimmy Broadbent, did say on his video how awful it was as well. Plus SuperGT was playing with a game pad in his first online race which says it all. As a side note to remember most of the content creators, will not say how mediocre this game is as they want the fan boys views. Also i have had a HSV gen f LSA clubby, Mustang GT 2019 with a 2650 harrop blower, BMW M4 2017 and many more. Also i have done many track days in them. None of them in this game feel even close to the real cars. Hack the cars modded into the OG AC are even better.

You come up with arguments and you refer to Jimmer to prove them. It makes me question even more if you actually played this game, but I will not decide if you have or haven't, idc.
Even he was pointed out that the default wheel settings are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and you need to spend some time configuring and setting it. It might be classed as a flaw, because you don't want to spend that amount of money and just sit hours and setting your wheel and shifter.

Just Devon is positive to this game, especially multiplayer. Are you going to call him amateur and noob for that?

If you are coming from ACC and expect Forza to be at its level, it's like coming from CSGO to Quake and expect realistic first person shooter.

[pestif]

The guy probably think that having a 550 ping in IRACING make him elite, g'day m8 glad you had your refund m8, seeya never m8, and good riddance m8 gd'ay m8 g'night m8 g'afternoon m8