This game sucks. Boring as can be.

[Nakeddan]

This game is super boring. I feel like im just skipping through a single player game. I'm lvl 25 and every single quest is almost identical, I still have no clues whats going on, none of my spells or abilities are fun to use. I've probably only killed 25 mobs in the time i've been playing all of my experience is just from the quests which are sending you to just be a messenger talk to this dude alright now run way over there and talk to that dude alright now come back. The combat is super boring nothing feels rewarding at all. apparently every "hero" in this game is blind or the worst archer/mage ever because their attack range is like 15 yards.... I can throw a arrow 15 yards in my back yard but these dudes can't shoot one out of a bow further? Or launch a magic fireball? Whats the point of even being ranged you have to fight in melee range 90% of the fight. If someone starts casting on you all you have to do is move away slightly and they are out of range and then both of you can't attack. it's real dumb like very bad combat system. The counter-attack thing is a good idea but still feels terrible because of how ♥♥♥♥ the combat system is. WOW came out 20 years ago and is still 1000% better than this game. Oh and don't even get me started with the bugs and lag it's just every few seconds you are getting a little lag spike fps stays solid for the most part but you actually just lag constantly kinda hurts my eyes and makes me a little dizzy. I just don't understand how you make an mmorps 20 years after world of warcraft and you can't figure out a basic ass combat system that doesn't suck. You have literally 20 years of world of warcraft information readily available feedback from players good designs bad designs and they ignored all of it. I see no point in continuing to play this garbage. Back to waiting for someone to make a good mmo again... 20 years still no thing better I can't believe these developers who is wasting money to make this trash?

[Quagimus Decimus]

Originally posted by Nakeddan:

Originally posted by Quagimus Decimus:

Can we get the usual TL:DR version?
A block of text isn't worth reading.
Sentences, paragraphs.. breaks to make readable... simple grammar would go a long way if you want to voice your opinions.

No thanks teach I'm good if you don't like it that too bad hard life.

You should take that advice yourself.

[Quagimus Decimus]

Originally posted by KingGhostie:

Originally posted by SergeantSpectre:

Level 25 lol you haven't even touched the game

You do realize the max level is 50. He played half way through it already what do you mean he hasn't touched the game. You must be on copium.

He's on the tutorial mate.
Until you've reached max level in any mmo you're just playing a small part of the larger game. This isn't a single player game with the end being the level cap.
It's the gearing up to face the challenges of end-game.

[James_GT]

he's level 25 and hasn't killed any enemies. he must not have done the msq quest. you fight a ton of enemies. the Iskale fight. the quest where you follow a soldier thru a tomb. he couldn't have done dungeons if he hasn't killed even 25 mobs. he is level 25 and hasn't done anything. there is no way. he is talking nonsense

[Nakeddan]

Don't have to be level 50 to know the combat system is sucks. lemme step three steps back and be out of range of your comments.

[gunnerink]

Originally posted by Octavian Giaus:

I wish I had read this before joining the game.
OP is correct.
This is DOA.

been playing since early access. play less and less everyday. have one quest that i have no idea how to complete. googled it. nothing. beautiful game though. game does not seem to flow.

[Agemos]

So its another game where the only reason it has levels at all is so it has flashy graphics and dings constantly to keep people with no attention span getting "the good feelz". If you can hit max level within a day or two, don't have levels, just focus on other mechanics.

I get older games eventually get catch up mechanics so new players arn't completely left in the dust; The old content isn't really used for anything more than tutorial and stream lined for the sake of the new players, but when games launch, you can hit max level super fast, and anything under max is considered "tutorial", then having a level system at all is literally just distraction, and shouldn't even be part of the game.

Levels are just there to check an arbitrary box and keep people from looking at tik tok on their phone and getting distracted.

[FireFrost]

Ya I played in the beta ect and ended up just not playing it made it to lvl 20 and got bored , it is a really boring game one of the most boring things right behind star citizen , thanks for sharing , I also got bored of new world after paying them 800-1000 bucks lol , I'll probably wait till I play this a bit before spending cash on it . thanks

[Vietrak]

It's really funny when you talk about WoW, which lags like crazy when 50 players appear on the screen. Here, there are hundreds players on screen in massive PvP battles, but there's no lag at all. Yes, fps are low because todays HW is not too powerfull for this but styll no lags at all. I dare say T&L is a programming masterpiece. The WoW developers should go back to school and learn how to write netcode like this because the one in T&L is absolutely unrivaled. Maybe some WoW players should pull their heads out of their asses and accept the fact that the world doesn't revolve around WoW, and there are actually better games out there. Personally, I canceled my WoW sub and am moving to T&L. It really doesn’t matter if I’m paying for game time or spending the same amount once a month on a battle pass. Think about it.

[Fortio]

I've also gotten bored from playing it, literally you are walking around doing x and y fetch quests just walk and morph,

kills these mobs that do nothing,

attack a world boss for 13 minutes that does 1 wipe attack every millenia (oh no I got to use... WASD?)

have bugs hunt you for days ( I couldn't complete the tutorial for 1h as I got hardstuck because the NPC got themselves stuck.. in other NPC's ) and directly after the tutorial boss fight, the little yapping doll literally ignored its function and didnt talk to me, so I was hardstuck... again, had to die for it to reset :D

The combat mostly sucks, they managed to make tab target games like WoW more interesting to me as I have not have experienced a worse combat flow exp that reeks of mobile game auto-play as its core. I hate Tab targeting, wanted to force myself into liking it, this game is just bad for that too.

World looks great though, although Imo BDO still looks better which is weird for an older game but that game also runs 2x better.

I cant believe how unoptimised this game is.

[gliTchIME]

Originally posted by Nakeddan:

Yes it is, and if it's so good why aren't you playing? Seems to me when i really like a new game im playing it not on the discussion forums.

Game is actually a lot of fun with some really clever design elements. Also, the game wasn't designed to be a mobile game. It was designed with PC / Console as primary and it WAS going to be ported to mobile, but was scrapped from mobile a long time ago.

[Mikebeez]

Those of you vehemently defending the game and telling them to "go play another game then" or "don't need to hear this" when someone has a criticism will not help keep your game alive nor make it better.

Also looks horrible on the community's part and the obnoxious gate keeping is a huge turn off for new players who haven't tried it.

Was tempted to try this out and maybe get a few friends with me, but with all these replies that obnoxiously deny ANY criticism whatsoever, nah. It'll end up dead just like New World.

[EAX]

the thing is that this topic doesnt really have valuable criticism.
Comparing alot of aspects with WoW, when T&L does it almost the same or even ten times better than that, yet T&L is boring and WoW isnt...

Especially in terms of optimizations, servers, amount of players, quest design... T&L is superior in a lot of ways.

I wouldve expected complains about the Pay 2 Win system, which ships as pay 2 progress in this game, i would totaly agree most likely.
Yet he complains about areas, where this entirely free game does it better, than a 63€ expensive WoW expansion.
I think i dropped latest WoW EXP. at lvl 67 or so, it took me several days to even reach that because it is THAT boring and my subscription is still running but i couldnt care, because its wasted anyways, was just account bound money otherwise i wouldve refunded.

Meanwhile im following these quests the second time after Beta and still have fun with it, especially when theres an event ongoing and literally several thousand players in the same area, dropping MMO vibes. Meanwhile if a Worldboss in WoW spawned i was all alone alot of times. Wonderful.

I honestly dont know where T&L leads me, im already pissed about Pay 2 Progress mechanics and all the FOMO stuff at the ingame vendors.
But its yet good enough for a leveling experience.

[Agemos]

Originally posted by EAX:

the thing is that this topic doesnt really have valuable criticism.
Comparing alot of aspects with WoW, when T&L does it almost the same or even ten times better than that, yet T&L is boring and WoW isnt...

Especially in terms of optimizations, servers, amount of players, quest design... T&L is superior in a lot of ways.

I wouldve expected complains about the Pay 2 Win system, which ships as pay 2 progress in this game, i would totaly agree most likely.
Yet he complains about areas, where this entirely free game does it better, than a 63€ expensive WoW expansion.
I think i dropped latest WoW EXP. at lvl 67 or so, it took me several days to even reach that because it is THAT boring and my subscription is still running but i couldnt care, because its wasted anyways, was just account bound money otherwise i wouldve refunded.

Meanwhile im following these quests the second time after Beta and still have fun with it, especially when theres an event ongoing and literally several thousand players in the same area, dropping MMO vibes. Meanwhile if a Worldboss in WoW spawned i was all alone alot of times. Wonderful.

I honestly dont know where T&L leads me, im already pissed about Pay 2 Progress mechanics and all the FOMO stuff at the ingame vendors.
But its yet good enough for a leveling experience.

Pretty sure people are comparing it to WoW just to mock how outdated the gameplay feels.

TL feels like it was supposed to be a mobile game to compete with black desert mobile, not a full PC release to compete with black desert itself. But yea if you only played WoW, there are probably alot of step ups in TL, but its not really competing with WoW or FF; I should hope it can do something better than a game that is 20 years old.

[Eido]

It would be much more interesting with an open world of PvP, it would be immediately more interesting on spots

[BlackRose]

Activate the blue quests. I saw that too late too...