P2W? Or worse

[Giblet]

So I see alot of people bring up the idea of gold and the Battlepass being an issue but in the reality. Crafting reagents are easy to farm, just grind contentg and do contract and with the cap of gold being 50k gold in from the battle pass, IS NOT ALOT you can make that easiely by just farming quests.

Most mmos these day like WoW or GW2 allow you to buy currency. its just the reality we live in. What the issue is one of the largest parts of a community inside an MMO, The Autcion House, Is gated by real money transactions. The idea of spending real money on a player driven auction house is removing one of the most important aspects an online community needs to thrive. and thats trade.

If you choose to make Auction houses REAL CASH ONLY. You run into the risk of making guilds have a strong and overwhelming bias. it will create unhinge guilds that are run by correperations and it will KILL your audience.

I suggest adding a gold to in-game currency exchange or allow a buyout system allowing for GOLD to also compete with the AH. Buy outs or allowing gold to be exchanged would allow players to participate more. It would prevent bot farms cuzz the inflation would also go down the drain too.

The supply and demand would be good for all players for this is a free to play to model.

I know I plan to not spend a nickle or dime on this game until they improve their AH system. I hope for those that read this spread the awareness before this game goes live.

[Jinxster]

its not released yet and servers will wipe on release. but u can buy lucient and use that to buy gear at the auction house

[Lucky ¤11¤]

its a NCSoft game, of course its P2W

[Giblet]

Jinxster what has me worried is that its probably going to remain a real money AH. I understand what your saying however im just wishing for change before the november release is finalized.

Will it? Likely not. I like the game! But i dont want others in the North America region to end up not liking it.

[Caz]

Originally posted by Giblet:

Most mmos these day like WoW or GW2 allow you to buy currency.

Doesn't make it right or acceptable. Also, you picked one of the worst MMOs to defend this with using WoW. GW2 isn't much better.

[InsertCoin]

Originally posted by Caz:

Originally posted by Giblet:

Most mmos these day like WoW or GW2 allow you to buy currency.

Doesn't make it right or acceptable. Also, you picked one of the worst MMOs to defend this with using WoW. GW2 isn't much better.

and yet those games are thriving, so yea...

[Amino]

i dont get why people feel that gaining items you can get in game without paying cash for as pay to win its pay for convince. P2W used to actually mean you got OP items you could only get by paying for them. As in warframe im more than happy to play a game i enjoy and let others pay my tab

[BloodReiter]

Originally posted by Amino:

i dont get why people feel that gaining items you can get in game without paying cash for as pay to win its pay for convince. P2W used to actually mean you got OP items you could only get by paying for them. As in warframe im more than happy to play a game i enjoy and let others pay my tab

This kind of reasoning is why we are getting ♥♥♥♥♥♥ games with stupid monetization systems nowadays, but its ok, things will not got back to normal, miss when we used to get games aiming to be fun or a piece of art, not dollar print machines

[uber.dmg]

After seeing AH and their method of using real money there, I lost all will to play.

I don't think I ever will, even after waiting 13 years for this game.

Damn you NCS, burn in hell.

[SirTitan]

ok gameplay, top guild will rule all in conflict. Combat is meh, auction is RMT based via credit card auction house. The game won't last. It's KR game which is 90% farmers 10% player base. I hope it gets review bombed into oblivion.

[Jinxster]

Originally posted by Giblet:

Jinxster what has me worried is that its probably going to remain a real money AH. I understand what your saying however im just wishing for change before the november release is finalized.

Will it? Likely not. I like the game! But i dont want others in the North America region to end up not liking it.

The ah is not real money use. U use real money to buy lucient then u use lucient to buy gear in ah.

[Joreel]

Originally posted by Jinxster:

Originally posted by Giblet:

Jinxster what has me worried is that its probably going to remain a real money AH. I understand what your saying however im just wishing for change before the november release is finalized.

Will it? Likely not. I like the game! But i dont want others in the North America region to end up not liking it.

The ah is not real money use. U use real money to buy lucient then u use lucient to buy gear in ah.

Same thing, just adding one step. It's still real money being used to buy stuff.

[GrailQuest]

Originally posted by uber.dmg:

After seeing AH and their method of using real money there, I lost all will to play.

I don't think I ever will, even after waiting 13 years for this game.

Damn you NCS, burn in hell.

This is probably a step to combat RMT, which are notorious in any game that has any kind of trade.
Would you prefer no trade at all? Lots of players would complain about that too.

[EAX]

So i did read that, according to a few gaming sites, that you could farm the lucient and those who pay get it a tad faster but items from auctionhouse are limited in strength and some important not even available and still requires updates and material that also requires playtime and cant be bypassed with money.

So more like a pay 2 progress kind of thing, but i do not want to hang my head outside for this information.

Either way if we are totaly real, then even if that game has had no RMT involved, there still would be players purchasing for real money and there most likely will be anyways plenty of them, that purchase everything inside and outside of this game, next to even using botsoftware.

In World of Warcraft it is just like that, you can purchase everything.

My idea is to just keep playing as long as it is enjoyable and once you hit those highly disturbing spots, just finish and quit the game and keep the good memories.

Usually im an anti pay 2 win guy, yet still i purchased last WoW expansion or even threw some money into Black Desert Online…
It still was fun enough untill a certain point but probably wouldve never done it, when there was a proper MMO, but im guessing there never will be a good one again.
Just selling cosmetics literally makes any RPG a trash one, ruining item values to its core.


Oh i forgot… there will be different servers for launch, the pay 2 win botting crowd most likely goes with the 5 days headstart and the ones less likely to pay 5 days later on new and fair servers, so there is that too
However if i think about that one, this may be marketing research purposes for amazon, check out players behaviour in upcoming products, figure out how many pay for headstart, who complains alot and still throws cash in and all these kind of things.

I highly doubt that even amazon doesnt know the importance of a fresh MMO start and how important it is to let all players start at the same day.

[Menzagitat]

Originally posted by EAX:

So more like a pay 2 progress kind of thing, but i do not want to hang my head outside for this information.

Pay to progress is bad too.
Is like they punish you with grind if you don't pay as much as they say.
And they can anytime increase the grind, to get more cash.
That's why monthly subscription without any lucient buying would ensure that developers balance the game for fun.

[DarkRod]

Pay 2 win and pay 2 early