Cyberpunk?

[Andrew]

So I've heard of Steam Punk, but now after becoming interested in Shadowrun and the new "Hong Kong" version they are releasing in a few weeks I've learned there is a genre called Cyber Punk.

I'm not sure what Cyberpunk incorporates because it really just seems like everything we are today. But I do think I like this genre and I think I will like this game along with Shadowrun Hong Kong which has elves, orks, trolls, dwarves and magic that has awakened in the future. Steampunk is easy to define but cyberpunk?

[SMIFFY]

You might be interested in this from CD Projekt RED if it ever gets released.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P99qJGrPNLs

A little about the game and cyberpunk in general
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYxt7cwDk4E

[Andrew]

That game concept does interest me, alot.
Also, Shadowrun Hong Kong was released this week and it's been pretty good.

Projekt Red looks to have shelved Cyberpunk 2077 for a while. I wonder if someone test marketed the interest and found Cyberpunk to be lacking? I twonder if companies expect the fans to build up so much hype now that they disregard the potential of some great ideas in favor of risk managment.

Maybe looking back at the past 10 years of Cyberpunk and gaming and they only use Matrix Online as the test model, who knows?

[Angry Nord-Grunge Syndicate]

If you don't mind doing some reading i really recommend William Gibsons works,
specifically Neuromancer, Count Zero and Mona Lisa Overdrive, you can't get more cyberpunk than that.

[ROBUC2]

Also, there's a great community on Reddit at /r/cyberpunk. A whole lot of cool music/pictures/whatever.

[Megaflux]

it makes me a bit sick that people know what steampunk is but not cyberpunk. considering how much GREAT and award winning cyberpunk material is out there in contrast to the vast amount of steampunk filth it really puts a bright red flag in the box titled "fail completely as a society". can anybody name 3 GREAT steampunk authors? hell no you cant, dont even try. meanwhile theres a ton of cyberpunk authors that have won awards.

[Andrew]

There may be a lot of great cyberpunk authors, but that doesn't mean steampunk is filth. So great stories come out of cyberpunk, but if you have never been to a steampunk world fair someplace and seen the kind of things creative minds can engineer out steel and brawn then discussing this with you further is moot.

[ej]

Originally posted by Angry Nord-Grunge Syndicate:

If you don't mind doing some reading i really recommend William Gibsons works,
specifically Neuromancer, Count Zero and Mona Lisa Overdrive, you can't get more cyberpunk than that.

Vernor Vinge, Greg Egan, Rudy Rucker, Neal Stephenson wrote more hardcore cyberpunk than Gibson. Gibson is flashy but shallow. He defined the look of cyberpunk, but you should check other authors if you are looking for more substance. (Definitely worth reading though)
Also, Harlan Ellison, Stanislav Lem, Philip ♥♥♥♥, etc. wrote very cyberpunk-ish stuff long before him. Can't you say the Bladerunner movie isn't cyberpunk? It is based on P. ♥♥♥♥ novel and appeared before Gibson wrote the Neuromancer. Also The Terminator..
P.S. Lol at Steam censorship

[Uueerdo]

Originally posted by ej:

Also The Terminator..

Uh, wut?

[ej]

Originally posted by Uueerdo:

Originally posted by ej:

Also The Terminator..

Uh, wut?

The Terminator (based on earlier Harlan Ellison writings) is (mostly) a cyberpunk, no? ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberpunk#Film_and_television ) Bad example, ok.

[Uueerdo]

Originally posted by ej:

The Terminator (based on earlier Harlan Ellison writings) is (mostly) a cyberpunk, no? Bad example, ok.

Can't say I have read a whole lot of H.E. but as far as any of the Terminator movies go, I'd say they are more Sci-Fi/Horror; they lack the societal/cultural/dystopian features common to cyberpunk; unless you take the debatable position that "apocalyptic = dystopian".

[ej]

Originally posted by Uueerdo:

features common to cyberpunk; unless you take the debatable position that "apocalyptic = dystopian".

If we make "dystopian" the mandatory requirement, then yes.
Still, IMO the Earth run by an AI qualifies as dystopia.
Anyway, you can always shrink the definition of cyberpunk until only Gibson remains. :)

P.S. Not a big fan of H.E. anyway. I'm more of a Lem fan :)
As for Gibson, again, the Neuromancer is a strong beautiful novel, just not hard/witty enough for my tastes. And the predictions are not very realistic. And it appeared 2 years after the Bladerunner which set the definitive look of cyberpunk already. Also, the rest of his stuff is significantly lower in quality.

[Uueerdo]

Originally posted by ej:

Originally posted by Uueerdo:

features common to cyberpunk; unless you take the debatable position that "apocalyptic = dystopian".

If we make "dystopian" the mandatory requirement, then yes.

If we don't, where is the "punk"; and what would differentiate it from general science fiction?

Originally posted by ej:

Still, IMO the Earth run by an AI qualifies as dystopia.

If it were enslaving or controlling the everyday lives of humans, I'd agree; but war/genocide kinda goes past that.

Originally posted by ej:

Anyway, you can always shrink the definition of cyberpunk until only Gibson remains. :)

P.S. Not a big fan of H.E. anyway. I'm more of a Lem fan :)
As for Gibson, again, the Neuromancer is a strong beautiful novel, just not hard/witty enough for my tastes. And the predictions are not very realistic. And it appeared 2 years after the Bladerunner which set the definitive look of cyberpunk already. Also, the rest of his stuff is significantly lower in quality.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying cyberpunk is limited to neural interfaces, cybernetic limbs, and lack of sunshine. I am just saying that movies like The Giver or The 6th Day (if we're to stick with Arnold) are much better examples than The Terminator.

[RPG Gamer Man]

Originally posted by Uueerdo:

Originally posted by ej:

If we make "dystopian" the mandatory requirement, then yes.

If we don't, where is the "punk"; and what would differentiate it from general science fiction?

Originally posted by ej:

Still, IMO the Earth run by an AI qualifies as dystopia.

If it were enslaving or controlling the everyday lives of humans, I'd agree; but war/genocide kinda goes past that.

Originally posted by ej:

Anyway, you can always shrink the definition of cyberpunk until only Gibson remains. :)

P.S. Not a big fan of H.E. anyway. I'm more of a Lem fan :)
As for Gibson, again, the Neuromancer is a strong beautiful novel, just not hard/witty enough for my tastes. And the predictions are not very realistic. And it appeared 2 years after the Bladerunner which set the definitive look of cyberpunk already. Also, the rest of his stuff is significantly lower in quality.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying cyberpunk is limited to neural interfaces, cybernetic limbs, and lack of sunshine. I am just saying that movies like The Giver or The 6th Day (if we're to stick with Arnold) are much better examples than The Terminator.

The giver is considered a cyberpunk jondre? I know that future is definetly a dystopia. In fact, i love how the movie makes everything black and white to show that "feelings and memories" were all put away. The problem is i see the giver more sci fi than cyberpunk..what is your personal definition of cyberpunk? I think people's personal opinions as what it is defined is what changes people's views of what is considered a cyberpunk storyline.

[Uueerdo]

Originally posted by RPG Gamer Man:

The giver is considered a cyberpunk jondre? I know that future is definetly a dystopia. In fact, i love how the movie makes everything black and white to show that "feelings and memories" were all put away. The problem is i see the giver more sci fi than cyberpunk..what is your personal definition of cyberpunk? I think people's personal opinions as what it is defined is what changes people's views of what is considered a cyberpunk storyline.

I am not quite saying The Giver is "cyberpunk" exactly, just that it is more than the Terminator; not that either are great examples. In my view, the core of cyberpunk is dystopia enforced and fought through technological means, with some emphasis on corporate and/or gang control.

I suppose the Giver would fail my personal test due to the centralized/"governmental" control; but the Terminator fails on complete lack of what I would consider a dystopia.

[Case]

Originally posted by Starving Artist:

That game concept does interest me, alot.
Also, Shadowrun Hong Kong was released this week and it's been pretty good.

Projekt Red looks to have shelved Cyberpunk 2077 for a while. I wonder if someone test marketed the interest and found Cyberpunk to be lacking? I twonder if companies expect the fans to build up so much hype now that they disregard the potential of some great ideas in favor of risk managment.

Maybe looking back at the past 10 years of Cyberpunk and gaming and they only use Matrix Online as the test model, who knows?

Cyberpunk 2077 is in development and from the beginning it was to be concentrated on after all the Witcher-related content is finished. The game is based on the original tabletop game, developed long before Matrix was made, let alone the low quality Matrix online game. Really, a short Internet search would've explained everything.