Austria-Hungary Jagdkommando, Landwehr OR KaiserJager as a new faction for the Central Powers.

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Emil

Nov 9, 2014 @ 2:35pm

Austria-Hungary Jagdkommando, Landwehr OR KaiserJager as a new faction for the Central Powers.

I know there will be people saying "They didnt fight in the western front", the austro hungrarians did fight in the western front but in very small numbers. These guys have a few sources: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=124980. Also a newspaper reports the sighting of an Austro Hungrarian unit in Verdun: http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/73535172. I think one austro hungrarian squad would be great, it would at least add another faction for the lonely Germans who are fighting the French, British and Canadians by themselves. Only one should be added obviously because A-H was a minotiry, 4 divisions can range from 40,000 to 120,000 troops. This may not be accurate so discuss anything below.

Last edited by Emil; Nov 9, 2014 @ 7:20pm

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Bishop

Nov 9, 2014 @ 3:16pm

4 infantry divisions were sent in 1918, where they took huge casualties in the Verdun sector from joint attacks by the French and Americans with tank support.

Problem is they likely wont add anything game wise, Austro-Hungary was sent a lot of German equipment and due to the small scale and that they were forced to go through German basic training I'd guess their equipped with G98s and MG08/15s, maybe they'd have different pistols, which wouldn't be enough for a new squad. They might have used G88s, which is a missing weapon currently.

Somme Guy

Nov 9, 2014 @ 3:20pm

Originally posted by Bishop:
They might have used G88s, which is a missing weapon currently.

How can you call the Gewehr 88 a 'missing weapon' and dismiss the possible inclusion of the Ross Rifle?

Bishop

Nov 9, 2014 @ 3:22pm

cuz the G88 was used from 1914-1918. Ross 1915-1916 and ditched at every attempt.

Emil

Nov 9, 2014 @ 4:54pm

Originally posted by Bishop:
4 infantry divisions were sent in 1918, where they took huge casualties in the Verdun sector from joint attacks by the French and Americans with tank support.

Problem is they likely wont add anything game wise, Austro-Hungary was sent a lot of German equipment and due to the small scale and that they were forced to go through German basic training I'd guess their equipped with G98s and MG08/15s, maybe they'd have different pistols, which wouldn't be enough for a new squad. They might have used G88s, which is a missing weapon currently.

Austria hungary had its own uniforms and weapons including rifles, machineguns and pistols, mixed with some German weapons. The most German equipment could be the uniforms because they used German helmets, grenades, etc, mostly for stormtrooper squads. German training wouldnt matter in the game, also the brits and Canadians look alike, it shouldnt matter if austrians and germans are very similar in appearance. It would only work if they used Austrian weapons only, or at least the majority of the weapons.

Last edited by Emil; Nov 9, 2014 @ 4:54pm

Bishop

Nov 9, 2014 @ 5:03pm

I know they did on the Eastern front and the Italian front, these were units that can easily be resupplied from their homelands as it was on their own boarder, Western Front however wasn't. 4 divisions isn't alot espeically at the end of the war when resources were short so transporting supplies from Austro-Hungary would be difficult. Standard A-H weapons don't use the same ammo as the Germans so would need a new supply line, which is why I think they used the G98 and MG08/15s.

They were retrained as the Germans doubted them and also to ensure they would fight like the Germans.

Yes the Canadians have the same uniform, and do share weapons but they have a unique role. Currently what role would they have? Key thing is what they add, New weapons it can easily be a requipped version of the current squads. The units sent were just basic infantry so equivalent to the Landsers.

RedSkulls

Nov 9, 2014 @ 5:57pm

Why not add the AH lik the Brits. Give them the same positions as the Landsers and same abilities, but give them AH weapons.

Emil

Nov 9, 2014 @ 7:06pm

Originally posted by Bishop:
I know they did on the Eastern front and the Italian front, these were units that can easily be resupplied from their homelands as it was on their own boarder, Western Front however wasn't. 4 divisions isn't alot espeically at the end of the war when resources were short so transporting supplies from Austro-Hungary would be difficult. Standard A-H weapons don't use the same ammo as the Germans so would need a new supply line, which is why I think they used the G98 and MG08/15s.

They were retrained as the Germans doubted them and also to ensure they would fight like the Germans.

Yes the Canadians have the same uniform, and do share weapons but they have a unique role. Currently what role would they have? Key thing is what they add, New weapons it can easily be a requipped version of the current squads. The units sent were just basic infantry so equivalent to the Landsers.

Wasnt A-H bordered with the German Empire? yes that is mostly true but Austro Hungrarian stromtroopers (Jagdkommando) might bring some originallity, since the current German stormtroopers mostly rely on pistols, the Austrians can be equipped with more rifles and grenades but no MG. Instead of gas attacks, the Austrians can have artillery(very slow loading) since they had arty batteries there too. There are some ways it could be done, the pistols can be A-H exclusives. Some Austro-Hungrarian trench clubs would be nice instead of the shovel.

Bishop

Nov 10, 2014 @ 3:15am

their artillery was there in 1914 not 1918. Yes they do share a boarder with Germany, however it's much further to send supplies for 4 divisions, Germany supplied them with some weapons as A-H stuggled to keep up production.

They'd be added if they release an Italian or Eastern front but it's a bit of a stretch for the Western Front.

PDE

Nov 10, 2014 @ 8:52am

so why not put only his 4 units??? And they have a lot of cool weapons such as the mannlicher m1895 and the mannlicher-schonauer.

Last edited by PDE; Nov 10, 2014 @ 8:57am

Bishop

Nov 10, 2014 @ 9:46am

because they were unlikely to have been equipped with them, espeically the mannlicher-schonauer which seems to have just been those they produced for Greece. Unlikely to be equipped with them and again supply issue likely means they were equipped with the German weapons. At the time they seem to have been deployed (september 1918) Austro-Hungary was on it's last legs, suffering internally at this point and stuggling to supply the troops on it's own front.

Hopefully they will get represented if the game can move to one of the other fronts post release.

I have just spent the last 40 minutes or so trying to find more details on the number and scale of their support but all leads to the same 4 divisions under German command that were too little too late to make any difference.

Last edited by Bishop; Nov 10, 2014 @ 9:48am

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Emil

Nov 10, 2014 @ 4:07pm

Originally posted by Bishop:
their artillery was there in 1914 not 1918. Yes they do share a boarder with Germany, however it's much further to send supplies for 4 divisions, Germany supplied them with some weapons as A-H stuggled to keep up production.

They'd be added if they release an Italian or Eastern front but it's a bit of a stretch for the Western Front.

Actually if you go to the newspaper link, the bottom says about the Austrian arty in the western front, the article is from 1918. They had them for both years, and yes you might be right A-H would most likely use a lot of german weapons and the possability of getting them added is very small unless they can have different stormtroop loadouts with a few weapons that are unique or a new front.

Last edited by Emil; Nov 10, 2014 @ 4:07pm

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Bishop

Nov 10, 2014 @ 4:34pm

But if you do any search you'll not find any mention of it outside of 1914. From what I've read A-H sent 4 heavy artillery units in 1914 to support the attacks on the Belgium forts which were then recalled by 1915. 1918 they sent 4 infantry divisions as a token support with no mention of artillery support.

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moist newt has Verdun

Nov 10, 2014 @ 5:03pm

If they really want to take this game to its full potential they should add another front (italian or Russian) and I know this would be an INSANE amount of work espescially for a small team only a few months from release but hey if it cant be done quickly I bet alot of people would buy dlcs or a sequel. I know I would im hooked on Verdun.

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moist newt has Verdun

Nov 10, 2014 @ 5:10pm

Also Landwher sounds great because that would open up older out of date weapons like the zig zag revolver or G88 (not like the G98 it used clips like the berthier)

Last edited by moist newt; Nov 10, 2014 @ 5:12pm

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