Lee Metford vs Lee Enfield and En block clips

[Mindflayer]

This is gonna be in two parts because I have two things I wanna address in this thread. First off I just wanna say that while im exited to hear that Lee Metford rifle is being added to the commonwealth forces im a bit concerned as to how it will be differnt from the SMLE as is game play wise. In terms of magazine capacity it is identical to the SMLE and the sights are gonna be very similar, barrel length is also almost the same. The action is also very close to the SMLE so bolting speed will be nearly identical. The main feature the Lee Metford lacks that the SMLE has is a charger bridge/stripper clip guide(which allows it to use striper clips). It also has a magazine cut off which some early SMLEs had but I don't really see how it could be represented in game since you can just shoot one round and reload immidiatly after and it would be the exact same thing as having the magazine cut off in use.

However, I think the charger bridge/stripper clip guide is a feature that made the Lee Enfeild the superior, more modern weapon but as is its not currently represented in game by most commonwealth loadouts(yes im gonna go on this tangent again I appologize). Without the chargers/stripper clips available in all loadouts gameplay wise the two rifles are identical in terms of the reload function. I feel this does a deserivce to the history of the firearms and understates the value of stripper clips/chargers which in my mind should not be understated. As little as this inovation was, it made the difference between it taking you 30 seconds to reload a rifle or 5 seconds and it battle that really matters.

My second point is that all the en block clip fed rifles (the Mosqueton and Berthier) do not currently use a funtion that was available to both (and the 5 round version that was announced in a weapon wedenesday a few weeks ago). With the 3 round versions (which are currently in game) there is a button in front of the trigger gaurd which when used allows you to pop out a non empty clip rather than having it fall out the bottom. This allows you to shoot a few rounds then eject the clip after and replace it with a completly new one. This is a feature on every en block clip fed rifle I know of which includes the Carcano(Italian), and Styer Manlicher(Austro-Hungarian) rifles which hopefully will be added if and when the devs decide to open new fronts.

So ya I know I ranted a little but I think this is important, especialy in a potential historical mode. But I still feel stripper clips/chargers should be available to all classes that have rifles that use them. It was how the ammo was issued to troops and it was an inovation that made the WW1 soldier part of what he was as opposed to his counterparts from 20+ years before him who didnt have that option.

[789htzs]

+1

[Bishop]

The sights from the WW seem different to the SMLEs there might also be less sway due to the longer reload.

[Leo]

The one featured is the Mark II lee-metford with dust cover so no charging bridge by design. Information about the models actually fielded is very limited so we chose an unupgraded model to maximize the distinction between the metford and enfield.Sights are different and barrel length slightly bigger. Will result in slightly more accurate fire at the cost of loading the rounds individually.

The inability to unload the en-bloc clips is simply a gameplay design choice. With the inclusion of more weapons I think we can bring stripper clips to most classes. The reasoning behind their absence at the moment is to make the player chose between the different loadouts.

[Mindflayer]

Originally posted by Leo:

The one featured is the Mark II lee-metford with dust cover so no charging bridge by design. Information about the models actually fielded is very limited so we chose an unupgraded model to maximize the distinction between the metford and enfield.Sights are different and barrel length slightly bigger. Will result in slightly more accurate fire at the cost of loading the rounds individually.

The inability to unload the en-bloc clips is simply a gameplay design choice. With the inclusion of more weapons I think we can bring stripper clips to most classes. The reasoning behind their absence at the moment is to make the player chose between the different loadouts.

Cool thanks for the info and the reply Leo, I wasnt aware of the dust cover feature but that sounds interesting. I meant by sights being the same that the sight picture was very similar, they both had a rear nonch and blade sight, main difference is the SMLE has the ears protecting the rear sight. I understand the en block clip decision while like I mentioned it still would be nice to have but I see you reasons to distinguish them from other rifles in game. Its also great to hear that you will be expanding stripper clip usage :) now if we can just get bayonets..haha. In all serious though it would be nice to have some sort of indicator on in the loadout screen showing if a loadout uses stripper clips or not that would be execelent, as is you kinda just have to hope. Thanks again for the reply.

[Mindflayer]

Originally posted by Bishop:

The sights from the WW seem different to the SMLEs there might also be less sway due to the longer reload.

Could be an interesting idea, though id rather have less sway for other reasons rather than having it as a consolation prize for slow reload.

[LV|Ironstorm767]

They have the images of stripper clips for RDM and Attrition. Those could be used in the Frontlines loadouts that use them.

Good to know that its the standard MkII instead of the Charger MkII Lee-Metford. Was curious myself.