but... a new game on the austrian-italian front??

[Franz Kemmerich]

it'll be cool, in every way.

[Pfc Emperror steve]

the most popular on the survey was ;)

italian front
balkans front

[biggalloot]

i detailed my views concerning new places like gallipoli, the balkans, and the italian sectors in the ottoman empire thread of a few days ago, so i will be brief here.

1. if the developers want to keep but two fronts, i would suggest izonso sector with italians and gallipoli sector with ottomans added to verdun and balkans with serbs and caucasus with ottomans added to tannenberg.
2. if the developers want to do more fronts i feel that they should be different than the other two fronts and basically brand new games because otherwise people might not be interested in a third front of the existing series.
3. one possibility of a whole new game style might include things like larger squads, historic platoon size and role composition per nationality based upon the year of the battle on the map, and only common weapons based upon nationality and year.
4. a whole new front turning into a whole different style of ww1 game would probably take years to create but perhaps that result would sell better than some third "front" sold separately.
5. i suppose i am spoiled with free content but i can understand the developers wanting to be paid for their work.

going back to the ottoman empire thread and applying my thoughts there to the current topic of the AH versus italians, i briefly suggested that the italians would work better in verdun than tannenberg because the italian front was mostly static and verdun has trench instead of sector capture, the italians were in places like champagne and aisne in 1918, and french, british, and american units served in italy.
i would be in favor of adding the italians as line infantry with mortars to verdun along with some italian map or two like isonzo, but the developers might not agree with more free content. additionally, adding the austro-hungarians to verdun for isonzo or other italian maps would be much better historically and the AH unit is currently only in tannenberg.
if you understand all my comments at ottoman empire thread, i would then suggest that some isonzo map have italians as the default entente squad type (i detailed the default squad type idea there). the AH should be the default central squad type at isonzo, so the "free content" isonzo map plus italians to verdun would also have to include austro-hungarians and that would result in more free content at one time since the huge horrors of war update back in 2016 and that would be expensive for the developers.

if free content is ruled out, how many would pay for new fronts like italy, the balkans, and the middle east if they played in a similar style to verdun and tannenberg and if they each had a separate price tag similar to each of verdun and tannenberg?

on the other hand if free content is ruled out, how many of you would rather agree with me that some new front should be more like a whole different ww1 game based more upon history and less upon arcade things like the 4 man teams and rare weapons?

the developers have the financial figures of how many have purchased verdun compared to how many have purchased tannenberg. these figures could change considerably once console versions of the two games are complete but i would guess that perhaps only one of four verduners have so far become tannenbergers based upon my friends and the two x64 groups. in my opinion a third front might not sell as much as tannenberg unless it is quite unique in gameplay--new maps and new squad types and new weapons might not be enough to get people to purchase a third front.

[Pfc Emperror steve]

well the italian front the maps will feel different for one or atleast some of them as it is mountain warfare which means fighting up mountains and maybe even storming forts as there was quite a few in the mountains area and maybe even fighting in caves and trenches and fortified positions aswell

i feel that this game will have a gamemode which is the mix of the other games gamemodes for mountain warfare but thats just my opinion

heres a look at a actual italian battlefield caporetto

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_fzmkQjo2I&list=PLB2vhKMBjSxNGbaGicsVmBel0nzfFqK4q&index=17

[Pfc Emperror steve]

so for italian front i would expect to see the battles of

isonzo
caporetto
monte grappa
mt lagazuio

thats 4 at the least

but i agree with what ur saying though they need to do alot of work on tannenberg and their next game

[Bishop]

biggalloot as has been said before, they are keeping fronts separate. They've already set that with Tannenberg. If its so unpopular it wouldn't sell as it's own content, it's not worth doing for free in the existing games with such a high production cost.

[biggalloot]

to Bishop:

yes i mentioned that the developers probably feel that free content isn't worth it and i can understand that.
if the italian front was added with the current gamestyle as a third front i probably would buy it.
if the italian front was added and it had a unique gamestyle similar to what i suggested in my first comment for this thread (see .3 in that essay) in contrast to the other two fronts i most certainly would buy it.
others would have their own reasons pro or con and i am not speaking for them.

[Bishop]

Not a question of free content, they've been doing that. But working for 2 or 3 years and only giving free content isn't viable.

Oh also Italian front is currently most popular for a future game, would also hope if the Devs make a third game and do cover it they will pick up my suggestion of covering costs for content for other games. E.g. adding a weapon a faction used in the new game and porting to the existing ones.

[biggalloot]

to Bishop:

the developers have the figures and we mere mortals probably should not use steamcharts to gage game popularity.
for examples:
1. verdun on PC numbers did drop some when verdun first came out on console. if steamcharts verdun only shows PC players it is deceptive for the number of verduners. i expect some more verdun and tannenberg players to switch to console when the newest console versions arrive.
2. there are still ww1 players in the series, but some are on the eastern front and some are on the western front at any given time. addiing a third, fourth, or fifth front might shrink the numbers of PC verdun players shown per hour or day at steamcharts.

with our community ww1 soldiers spread out over a number of fronts and with some of those on PC and others on console, getting 64 player all-human matches on any given front at a certain time and certain date on PC might become even more of a challenge, but the bots do help fill the gaps when that is not possible.

[Pfc Emperror steve]

Originally posted by Bishop:

Not a question of free content, they've been doing that. But working for 2 or 3 years and only giving free content isn't viable.

Oh also Italian front is currently most popular for a future game, would also hope if the Devs make a third game and do cover it they will pick up my suggestion of covering costs for content for other games. E.g. adding a weapon a faction used in the new game and porting to the existing ones.

the thing is
for each game all the maps squads weapons should have been there not added later
but of course i understand that it takes time money and effort

so maybe doing the game set around one year or 2 with battles that took place for that year
for example
tannenberg 1914 and 1915
then add dlc for the other years with squads new weapons and maps

which will
allow devs to cover alot more on each front in terms of maps weapons and maybe new squads

2 create more funding for future games

[Pfc Emperror steve]

Originally posted by I-6thAL.I Pvt. steve zhukov:

Originally posted by Bishop:

Not a question of free content, they've been doing that. But working for 2 or 3 years and only giving free content isn't viable.

Oh also Italian front is currently most popular for a future game, would also hope if the Devs make a third game and do cover it they will pick up my suggestion of covering costs for content for other games. E.g. adding a weapon a faction used in the new game and porting to the existing ones.

the thing is
for each game all the maps squads weapons should have been there not added later
but of course i understand that it takes time money and effort

so maybe doing the game set around one year or 2 with battles that took place for that year
for example
tannenberg 1914 and 1915
then add dlc for the other years with squads new weapons and maps

which will
allow devs to cover alot more on each front in terms of maps weapons and maybe new squads

2 create more funding for future games

for example with verdun (just an idea for my mod) but 1914 could be a good idea for a dlc as it would require a different sort of gamemode maybe as most of these battles took place before the race to the sea where the extensive trench lines of the western front were established

only factions available

entente
belguim
great britian
indian colonial troops aswell
france

central powers
germany

1914 battles

battles in the invasion of belguim such as
liege
antwerp (maybe)
the battle of yser
the battle mons
other sectors of the battle of the marne
battles that took place on the border of france and germany which by the way included the bloodiest day of the war for the french if i remember correctly

[Bishop]

@biggalloot: which isn't an argument to add other fronts to the existing games, it's a discussion of if they should continue the series or move to another product. Or why they couldn't keep the games under the same steam listing as other games have done.

@steve: problem with DLC system is that the DLC is often dead, been my experience in tripple A titles, if you lock maps behind a paywall there's so few matches on them and servers often empty if they come up in rotations.

[Pfc Emperror steve]

Originally posted by I-6thAL.I Pvt. steve zhukov:

Originally posted by I-6thAL.I Pvt. steve zhukov:

the thing is
for each game all the maps squads weapons should have been there not added later
but of course i understand that it takes time money and effort

so maybe doing the game set around one year or 2 with battles that took place for that year
for example
tannenberg 1914 and 1915
then add dlc for the other years with squads new weapons and maps

which will
allow devs to cover alot more on each front in terms of maps weapons and maybe new squads

2 create more funding for future games

for example with verdun (just an idea for my mod) but 1914 could be a good idea for a dlc as it would require a different sort of gamemode maybe as most of these battles took place before the race to the sea where the extensive trench lines of the western front were established

only factions available

entente
belguim
great britian
france

central powers
germany

1914 battles

battles in the invasion of belguim such as
liege
antwerp (maybe)
the battle of yser
the battle mons
other sectors of the battle of the marne
battles that took place on the border of france and germany

apologies forgot the 1st battle of ypres i think

[Pfc Emperror steve]

Originally posted by Bishop:

@biggalloot: which isn't an argument to add other fronts to the existing games, it's a discussion of if they should continue the series or move to another product. Or why they couldn't keep the games under the same steam listing as other games have done.

@steve: problem with DLC system is that the DLC is often dead, been my experience in tripple A titles, if you lock maps behind a paywall there's so few matches on them and servers often empty if they come up in rotations.

true but i think it would be cool to see
the problem is that it would split playerbase up if not everyone bought it and thats the last thing we need

but it could bring alot players to play but its a bit of a gamble
personally i would pay ten pounds for it

[TheInfamous [NP]]

Even if they don't want to add the italian front in Verdun, I hope they consider the idea of making italians a playable faction (that could also be used for an hypothetical new game). An expeditionary force fought alongside french forces in several sectors, one of those being the Aisne.

[Pfc Emperror steve]

Originally posted by TheInfamous NP:

Even if they don't want to add the italian front in Verdun, I hope they consider the idea of making italians a playable faction (that could also be used for an hypothetical new game). An expeditionary force fought alongside french forces in several sectors, one of those being the Aisne.

1 squad maybe
also maybe portugal but its a longshot