Nuclear Throne

Nuclear Throne

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Dead Rift 2016 年 10 月 24 日 下午 1:43
Why does crown of guns blow so much?
You can answer if you want, im just venting lol
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DASH.RABBIT 2016 年 10 月 24 日 下午 1:53 
Not really venting if you don't actually talk about it... honestly, though, I'm not much of a crown user so I can't really answer.
Dead Rift 2016 年 10 月 24 日 下午 1:54 
i think it's the worst pre-loop crown
The_Technomancer 2016 年 10 月 24 日 下午 1:55 
i think it's the worst pre-loop crown
What specifically makes you say that? The crown of risk feels much worse since it lowers the drop rate on items when you need them most.
Pixel Peeper 2016 年 10 月 24 日 下午 2:01 
Pretty much all crowns suck. At least Crown of Guns isn't as awful as Crown of Life or Crown of Luck.

Crown of Guns is actually pretty good if you have Heavy Heart. And with Robot, it's insane because all the weapons give ammo and can then be converted into more ammo or even healing.

Basically, all crowns are super niche customization items. They're insanely crippling most of the time but great with a highly specific build.
Pixel Peeper 2016 年 10 月 24 日 下午 2:06 
引用自 The_Technomancer
i think it's the worst pre-loop crown
What specifically makes you say that? The crown of risk feels much worse since it lowers the drop rate on items when you need them most.

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed the uselessness and death spiral effect on that one.

"Oh, you're doing well? Here, let me give you a ton of extra ammo that you don't need."

"Oh, you're hurt? You're going to need healing and might expend more ammo trying to play it safe? Let me just severely reduce the drop rates on both of those."

And if that wasn't bad enough, the bonus and penalties are asymmetrical. A +50% increase in pickups should equal a -33% penalty on drop rate (or a -50% penalty should equal a +100% increase to the drop rate, if you want to go about it the other way around), but right now the penalty is far higher than the bonus.

It might be good on a Melting B Skin run, I guess...
Maddie Gaming 2016 年 10 月 24 日 下午 2:38 
Because it doesn't increase the weapon drop rates enough to make up for the lack of ammo pickups unless you sacrifice 3 of your mutations to get Heavy Heart, which itself isn't worth the cost unless you're Robot. Not to mention that can REALLY screw you over in the Throne fights if you go in with the wrong stuff.

Source: Spent several days looping with it as YV for Gun Guns. Never again.


It might be good on a Melting B Skin run, I guess...
Fun fact, I actually unlocked Crown of Risk for Melting the same run I got his B-skin.
Solo Death 2016 年 10 月 24 日 下午 3:20 
Crown of Guns sucks because the drawback is MASSIVE, but the positive is virtually non-existant. The effect of "more weapons" just doesn't really do much of anything. It barely boosts weapon drop rate at all, and because of that the crown sort of just ends up being a massive ammo nerf. Robot's ability to eat weapons KIND OF negates this, but not really unless you get Heavy Heart (A nearly necessary mutation with Crown of Guns regardless).

That said, an ammoless melee weapon makes the crown now so bad because 1) it's melee and 2) you don't need ammo making the drawback basically moot. That said as well, you DO still need to be lucky enough to get a melee weapon that isn't a Screwdriver.
最後修改者:Solo Death; 2016 年 10 月 24 日 下午 3:22
Insano-Man 2016 年 10 月 24 日 下午 4:31 
Personally, I feel that the Crown of Curses is more an upgrade than a con. It means your weapons are going to be a little jumpy in tiers, but it also means you can get seriously good stuff really early. I've seen hyper launchers and plasma cannons drop as early as pre-loop Labs.

In my opinion, as well, Cursed Crystal Caves is better than regular for pre-loops. More rads and a more engaging challenge by comparison (if you don't get zonked by a crystal teleporting from halfway across the map).
Pixel Peeper 2016 年 10 月 24 日 下午 4:43 
引用自 STEELCHEST SLABROCK
Personally, I feel that the Crown of Curses is more an upgrade than a con. It means your weapons are going to be a little jumpy in tiers, but it also means you can get seriously good stuff really early. I've seen hyper launchers and plasma cannons drop as early as pre-loop Labs.

In my opinion, as well, Cursed Crystal Caves is better than regular for pre-loops. More rads and a more engaging challenge by comparison (if you don't get zonked by a crystal teleporting from halfway across the map).

I did use the Crown of Curses for a while because, too often, I just never found any good weapons and it ruined many of my runs; Crown of Curses saved me from that on multiple occasions. But sometimes, you find a good uncursed weapon (or an uncursed weapon you want to use temporarily to dump ammo) and you can't pick it up... or, to avoid this, you have to only pick up the cursed weapons that are really really good and leave some upgrades behind. In the end I think it's not better or worse than a no-crown run, it's just different. I upgrade the Loot Level by visiting additional areas instead.

The alternate Crystal Caves (the uncursed ones with all the cursed crystal beings inside) gives so many rads, and three weapons that are usually very high-level, it's indeed very tempting! But instantly dying because the game decided to teleport a one-shot crystal right into you is complete bovinefeces. I don't often feel like risking it.
Solo Death 2016 年 10 月 24 日 下午 5:57 
引用自 STEELCHEST SLABROCK
Personally, I feel that the Crown of Curses is more an upgrade than a con. It means your weapons are going to be a little jumpy in tiers, but it also means you can get seriously good stuff really early. I've seen hyper launchers and plasma cannons drop as early as pre-loop Labs.

In my opinion, as well, Cursed Crystal Caves is better than regular for pre-loops. More rads and a more engaging challenge by comparison (if you don't get zonked by a crystal teleporting from halfway across the map).
I mean, Plasma Cannon can drop at 5-2 if you go to the pizza sewers anyway. Really good part about Crown of Curses is the ability to get particularly good weapons far earlier than that, such as Auto Crossbow being droppable in the Sewers, Super Crossbow becomes available in either the Sewers or 3-1, E Sword basically becomes a Big Dog drop.
Dracowhaleshark 2016 年 10 月 24 日 下午 8:13 
it blows quite hard if you catch my drift

i think all/almost all the crowns are bad and always have a bigger downside than an upside, which is why i dont even bother for crowns, however most crowns have specific synergies that make them better like CoL horro/anomaly or CoR melting
Hand's Hermit Permit 2016 年 10 月 28 日 上午 3:59 
Crown of guns is decent on robot and with robot's passive you can pretty much pick your weapon. For everyone else, it's only good for unlocking achievements. Crowns in general are bad.
最後修改者:Hand's Hermit Permit; 2016 年 10 月 28 日 上午 3:59
Watereaters 2016 年 10 月 29 日 上午 2:07 
Pretty much all crowns suck. At least Crown of Guns isn't as awful as Crown of Life or Crown of Luck.

Crown of Guns is actually pretty good if you have Heavy Heart. And with Robot, it's insane because all the weapons give ammo and can then be converted into more ammo or even healing.

Basically, all crowns are super niche customization items. They're insanely crippling most of the time but great with a highly specific build.
Yeah I'm with you, and CoH is useful with robot and bloodlust
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