AK47 or M308? What's better on each difficulty?

[Neonetik]

I recently got my Support class almost fully maxed out, since I love shotguns and revolvers, and am looking for the next tree to level. I'm tied between sharpshooter/technician. I want to level sharpshooter, since the perks and M308 appeal to me, but I hear a lot of people saying the AK is OP compared to the other weapons and makes stuff like the M308 useless in comparison. How true is this?

[DorentuZ`]

The AK is not OP, especially not when compared to the M308. The M308 does more damage (48 vs 35.1 when fully upgraded) and is more accurate (and therefore my weapon of choice). However, the AK is fully automatic and has more ammo. It's up to you to decide, but there's a reason most 'veterans' use the M308.

[Neonetik]

How much more ammo we talking about here? This is a pretty big choice, seeing as it's getting harder and harder to level up, and I play with bots, so anything above normal is pretty hard for me. Not much EXP.

Seriously, those things are even more useless than the l4d2 bots. At least the l4d2 bots know to stay close to you. These guys will spread out across the bottom and top floor of a building and then shout for help when a taser gets em, and will refuse to help me when I'm down unless I yell their name 3 times and wait for them to take the longest possible route to me. Not to mention being tied to crap weapons. At least I think they are. I have no idea if the bots even have any upgrades on em.

[Grey Star, The Rival Defender]

Depends on how good a shot you are, m380 is pretty much the most powerful weapon because if your a perfect shot you instakill any non special with a headshot and take down bulldozers quickly, but with the fire from cops and if your bad at aiming like me, the AK is the best camping tap shooting weapon with full auto for emergencies.

[DorentuZ`]

You can do the maths yourself. Here are the data:
m308 (m14):

damage = 4
clip ammo max = 12
nr clips = 6
ammo pickup = {1, 5}
damage multiplier = {1.1 = 26, 1.2 = 43}
clip ammo increase = {2 = 35, 4 = 45}

ak47

damage = 2.7
clip ammo max = 25
nr clips max = 5
ammo pickup = {2, 8}
damage multiplier = {1.1 = 15, 1.2 = 30, 1.25 = 37, 1.3 = 44}
clip ammo increase = {5 = 27, 10 = 32}

Ammo pickup is linear interpolation of a random value between the 'low' and 'high' pickup values, max ammo is clip size * nr clips and the x = y stuff is the upgrade x you get at level y in the corresponding tree. For example, the damage you have with the AK at level 30 in the tech tree is 2.7*1.2 and you have a clip size of 25+5. Note that you can get additional multipliers for your total ammo size of 1.5 and 1.15 for ESA and BGH, respectively.

[Neonetik]

I find this very confusing. Does that mean that the AK does more damage at the highest level of TECH than the M308 does at the highest level of Sharpshooter? I'm getting conflicting information here.

Plus, it's not all about maths. This isn't a physics class, this is a videogame. One weapon may seem better on paper, but in game, it could be a completely different story, based on location, enemies, and difficulty. Hence why I'm asking the experienced community.

I appreciate the help though. Seems I'm just a tad bit too stupid to understand.

[DorentuZ`]

It's just me being too lazy to calculate all values :p. But m308 max damage is 4*1.2 = 4.8 vs 2.7 * 1.3 = 3.51 for the AK47. But like I said, most people prefer the m308.

[mbutton15]

Originally posted by DorentuZ`:

The M308 does more damage (48 vs 35.1 when fully upgraded) and is more accurate.

It's been a while since I played this game, but thinking of getting back in to it. If I remember correctly I'm around level 70 and my stats show my favourite weapon is the AMCAR-4 and haven't even tried the AK. But I'm now curious where the stats (damage, clip size, etc) come from as it might influence how I level up my trees.

[DorentuZ`]

Originally posted by mbutton15:

Originally posted by DorentuZ`:

The M308 does more damage (48 vs 35.1 when fully upgraded) and is more accurate.

It's been a while since I played this game, but thinking of getting back in to it. If I remember correctly I'm around level 70 and my stats show my favourite weapon is the AMCAR-4 and haven't even tried the AK. But I'm now curious where the stats (damage, clip size, etc) come from as it might influence how I level up my trees.

I get them from the source code.

Here are the stats for the amcar:
amcar/m4

damage = 2
clip ammo max = 20
nr clips max = 6
ammo pickup = {2, 10}
damage multiplier = {1.1 = 1, 1.2 = 15}
clip ammo increase = {5 = 3, 10 = 12}

edit: note that the damage (and health, ofc) from these stats is usually multiplied by 10 to have whole numbers
edit 2: oops, switched the last two values

[B Dawg]

AMCAR-4 master race!

[-m308-]

m308

[Alpharius Omegon]

Originally posted by NeonAbomination:

How much more ammo we talking about here? This is a pretty big choice, seeing as it's getting harder and harder to level up, and I play with bots, so anything above normal is pretty hard for me. Not much EXP.

Seriously, those things are even more useless than the l4d2 bots. At least the l4d2 bots know to stay close to you. These guys will spread out across the bottom and top floor of a building and then shout for help when a taser gets em, and will refuse to help me when I'm down unless I yell their name 3 times and wait for them to take the longest possible route to me. Not to mention being tied to crap weapons. At least I think they are. I have no idea if the bots even have any upgrades on em.

AK= 125 (No bonuses)
M308= 72 (No bonuses)

[DorentuZ`]

Originally posted by HellFire4gZ Endieciochado:

Originally posted by NeonAbomination:

How much more ammo we talking about here? This is a pretty big choice, seeing as it's getting harder and harder to level up, and I play with bots, so anything above normal is pretty hard for me. Not much EXP.

Seriously, those things are even more useless than the l4d2 bots. At least the l4d2 bots know to stay close to you. These guys will spread out across the bottom and top floor of a building and then shout for help when a taser gets em, and will refuse to help me when I'm down unless I yell their name 3 times and wait for them to take the longest possible route to me. Not to mention being tied to crap weapons. At least I think they are. I have no idea if the bots even have any upgrades on em.

AK= 125 (No bonuses)
M308= 72 (No bonuses)

Yeah, thank you for helping the people who just can't figure out what 12*6 and 25*5 is But you're correct in that I should've mentioned that the clip size upgrades don't increase the total ammo capacity of a weapon.

[Alpharius Omegon]

Originally posted by DorentuZ`:

Originally posted by HellFire4gZ Endieciochado:

AK= 125 (No bonuses)
M308= 72 (No bonuses)

Yeah, thank you for helping the people who just can't figure out what 12*6 and 25*5 is But you're correct in that I should've mentioned that the clip size upgrades don't increase the total ammo capacity of a weapon.

lol its kinda important to people that cant aim very well and want bigger ammounts of ammo

[SPIGOT]

M308 is objectively the best weapon in the game, something I can say with 1000 hours play time.

[Alpharius Omegon]

Originally posted by SPIGOT THE BEAR:

M308 is objectively the best weapon in the game, something I can say with 1000 hours play time.

In terms of pure damage lol but if there was a PvP version if the M308 user wasnt good with aiming and another player using an AK or any other machine gun had the same aiming skills, probably the machine gunner would work for the firing speed and SPS