Game and cheat engines.

[treedea]

I think it is start to fight with cheaters and speedup runners. Top results on leaderboard already humanly impossible without third party soft even if you absolutely lucky with weapons, collabs etc.
POSTSCRIPTUM
Dear Humans. I don't want to do it but can you please stop attacking me?
You want proof? First video, on levels when Yagoo already there, check the clock of the game. Yeah, you probably can imagine it is potato PC, that's why time running in a game twice slower. But that's how actually speedhack works. I am already thanks developer for a promise on twitter to fix leader board with coming updates. But you guys continue attacking ME... 3/4 of you have no idea what you talking about, some of you protecting "reputation" of your beloved video makers. I bet I can run a hack and get back to top 10 of all the time. And be quiet about this and attack anyone who doubted it with a "skill issue" accusations.
Whatever... you can call me toxic but I still believe that MOST of people in a current TOP leader board is cheating.
P.S.: current format of published videos CAN NOT prove (or disprove) it is no cheating there or it is cheating.
P.P.S.: I didn't tell you anyone in all 3 of this videos is cheating. My believes is a different story.

[Blade]

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İlk olarak Peshmerga tarafından gönderildi:

The OP seriously took the customer-is-always-right with Kay Yu, the Holocure developer. For a free game. Think on that for a bit.

The entitlement and gall.

Keep game out of dirty hands of cheaters - best support, no? It would keep interest to game much longer

The dev is literally willing to talk it over if you have proof. I mean you cant just simply say someone is cheating without even telling why they are cheating. How are we supposed to believe that you are also not cheating yourself? The Dream MC controversy literally had math professors and a very very long documentation with citations and proof why Dream was cheating. Dream obviously denied it but the proof was there. Or there's literally hundred of examples in the speedrunning communities of exposing cheaters by explaining of how they did it, proving the video was spliced by looking at the audio, analyzing frame by frame how a certain action is not humanly possible and can only be done by a TAS(tool assisted speedrun). You literally have the devs willing to cooperate with you so they can instantly tell you what is and what is not possible with their game. Sometimes, someone is just that good and you're not willing to accept that someone is better than you.

If you really think someone is cheating then show proof. The devs are not against you here, they are just simply stating facts that people have submitted recorded runs as proof of possibility of a run. It's not up to them to prove that they are not cheating since they already submitted something, it's up to you to challenge them and submit something yourself to disprove their claims. Otherwise, you're clearly just talking about nothing here. Even I can say that your runs were cheated and never show proof for it if we are going to go by your logic.

[JtDarth]

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People, I am not toxic! I see results I wont believe, I know all games is cheatable and I know it is indie game with no pile of money in it. I wish I can help, but as streamer I can make this game more popular only playing it live and a lot of time. Yes, I saw all 3 videos trough. And if it is not developer play it wouldn't proof cheat or clean game. It is just gameplay, that looks, to tell you true, pretty strange for me. I am not accusing nobody. I am just asking if anticheat engine is possible, that's all

You absolutely are toxic. You've thus far, accused the developer of not being able to recognize cheats while demanding anticheat for a singleplayer game, handwaved away the video examples given to you of legitimate WR runs, and now trying to deflect since you got rightfully called out, as well as trying to claim you are a streamer to try to pretend your claims have more weight than they do.
You absolutely are being toxic.

[Blade]

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I think it is start to fight with cheaters and speedup runners. Top results on leaderboard already humanly impossible without third party soft even if you absolutely lucky with weapons, collabs etc.

You literally said, that the top runs are humanly impossible. That by definition is accusing ALL of them. The whole title of this discussion is literally accusing every top runner that their run is not legit and instead was cheating and you called them "cheaters and speedup runners".

[Suzu]

Heh, IDK, to be honest.
It's pretty hard to "prove" there are cheaters, and it seems there are some videos of runs around.

Still, I also found it weird. As soon as the game was released on Steam, I downloaded it to play (and found out the Steam version automatically found my save from the old version, so kudos, dev) and think I went pretty well for someone who hadn't played since the end of the last year, consistently getting top 10s and even some first places.
Now, I make an awesome score and go "damn, this is my highest score yet", and when I submit it I see I'm like in 200+ and I see people living up to 45 mins and raking 5 mil+ and kept scratching my head on how the ♥♥♥♥ is this happening, and I can't help but think people are using cheat engine or some kind of trainer.
Either way, I'm not really pressed about it, just saw the topic and thought I'd give my 2 cents, OP might not be completely out of his mind here. But that's not a super important issue, though.
I know that it's harder for the dev to worry about this kind of stuff, and I'd rather he be creating new stuff for the game and having fun, specially considering this is a non profit fanmade game.

[closuu]

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İlk olarak treedea tarafından gönderildi:

I think it is start to fight with cheaters and speedup runners. Top results on leaderboard already humanly impossible without third party soft even if you absolutely lucky with weapons, collabs etc.

You literally said, that the top runs are humanly impossible. That by definition is accusing ALL of them. The whole title of this discussion is literally accusing every top runner that their run is not legit and instead was cheating and you called them "cheaters and speedup runners".

Well said.

[Fingusa of the East]

I am pretty sure less than 1% of people who play this game care about the leaderboards. Even as a streamer, you should be happy the devs spend time adding new fun content instead of wasting time on something that 99% of the playing population doesn't care about.

[ChocoParfait]

You know some anti-cheat engine itself is a kind of malware right?
literally every multiplayer games with anti-cheat has some sort of cheater.
There are speedrunner that need verified proof still manage to cheat.

It would be more practical to have players provide a "live stream record" to record a "verified score" than a stupid cheat engine that potentially slow the game further.

[Fingusa of the East]

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You know some anti-cheat engine itself is a kind of malware right?
literally every multiplayer games with anti-cheat has some sort of cheater.
There are speedrunner that need verified proof still manage to cheat.

It would be more practical to have players provide a "live stream record" to record a "verified score" than a stupid cheat engine that potentially slow the game further.

This, there are speedruns that have been valid for decades sometimes that are only now being figured out as fake and cheated.

There really is not much point in fighting it. Might as well put your resources to a better purpose.

[treedea]

"In the future, the leaderboard will only accept scores from the most recent builds of the game." - This answer on Twitter 'X' - is the more than I prayed for.

[RudiAn]

Are the leaderboard scores really that wild?
I don't really watch video about leaderboard and stuff, so i always think positively about the score shared there. With everything offered in this version, getting let say 6M score, is not really that hard (even though i can't get that score either).
Understandable because of two factor:
1. My personal skill issue
2. No talents in my repertoire is reaching max fandom.

Second reason is quite game changing, since you no longer need level up to upgrade character skill, and the talent is immediately buffed since the skill are already active and max.

[Rezonus]

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I think it is start to fight with cheaters and speedup runners. Top results on leaderboard already humanly impossible without third party soft even if you absolutely lucky with weapons, collabs etc.

It's impressive that you think 40 minute runs is only possible for cheaters.
In previous versions of the game with the right combination of items you could last 5 or so hours. But at that point the game would crash because it could no longer handle what was happening.

[ele]

It's a single-player game and nobody has cared about the leaderboard in any game, ever.

[P.Rampage]

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Would love to know which scores you think are cheaters, if you have proof!

Meanwhile, here are some top scorers that have recorded runs as proof the top scores are entirely possible:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttvM_FwpZ_o
https://youtu.be/j0NveWIVEHU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6T_H1GObRc

Perhaps these videos can give you an idea on how you can improve your score.
Cheers!

yep, that's what I am talking about. none of this 3 videos can be accepted as a proof - literally can be prerecorded time cheat that slow up a game. I don't want to discuss if this games was cheated. I want anti-cheat engine in game.

Egorriga is a trustable source, you can trust in them to be true.

[Not Kay]

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For reference, you are LITERALLY sitting there accusing the developer of being unable to identify a cheated run. If the developer can't identify a cheated run via watching recording of it, then you are also declaring them incapable of implementing functioning anti-cheat, as you are declaring them incapable of detecting whether times are valid or not.

Lol.

ok. https://github.com/AUSTIN2526/holocure-trainer here is a cheat engine. do we protected?

As a single player experience, if people want to cheat, then people will cheat.

If you cheat and submit a score to the leaderboard though, I'd say good luck with that~

[Dlanor]

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People, I am not toxic! I see results I wont believe, I know all games is cheatable and I know it is indie game with no pile of money in it. I wish I can help, but as streamer I can make this game more popular only playing it live and a lot of time. Yes, I saw all 3 videos trough. And if it is not developer play it wouldn't proof cheat or clean game. It is just gameplay, that looks, to tell you true, pretty strange for me. I am not accusing nobody. I am just asking if anticheat engine is possible, that's all

If everyone else sees you as toxic, it's not everyone else that is the problem. Toxicity is a community problem, so the community decides what it acceptable.

Your 2nd sentence says it all. This is not an issue of the results being fake, it's an issue of you personally not believing them. Get proof if you don't believe it, like the dev already said you're welcome to do. It's really horrible manners to accuse people that provided proof of their runs of cheating and then backing it up with "looks pretty strange for me". Find a cut in the video where the on screen in-game timer stops syncing up, or the music clearly shows a mid-gameplay cut, or an impossible event happens, and then we can talk about it looking strange, but I've watched those runs and didn't notice a single thing that isn't the result of hard work and good (but not nearly perfect) RNG.