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[Daddy Kaneki]

Spoilers obviously




Abstergo said the syringe Roberts used on the player was perfectly harmless, "far less than a lethal dose." But Roberts has had this plan for literally hundreds of years, living through his memories. Something tells me there's more to that syringe. Does Abstergo just not want to say what was in that syringe? Do they even know?

Something about that syringe is very suspicious. What could it have been?

~~~~Also remember that we don't KNOW who we are. After we woke up from that syringe, we probably don't know the ways that our character changed because we don't KNOW who our character is. We see things from their eyes, but we can't feel them.~~~~



Also as a side note, it's worth pointing out that you can apparently re-live your genetic memories without an animus, as shown when Edward asked Roberts how he knew where the Observatory was, and he said "I just remember it as if it was from a past life." Edward obviously didn't believe it, but from this we can infer that, somehow in the proper conditions, it's possible to have flashbacks of your ancestors without the help of an animus.

And could anyone explain why Juno didn't take over the player? Or why Roberts thought she would? Were there plans separate? Was Juno using Roberts for something else? What exactly did the player do when he hacked that main server room?

[Wolf Echo]

Roberts is a special case. He's basically a First Civ soul that gets reborn inside a human body, this is explained in the manuscripts you get from picking up those messages in bottles throughout the map. When the First Civ was about to collapse, Juno asked Roberts, or whoever he was back then, to be part of an experiment that could potentialy lead to the rebirth of the First Civ and the reenslavement of humans. The Roberts that we meet, both in the Animus and in Abstergo are just the vessels of that mind/soul.

As for Juno, Roberts and her were lovers, or married back during the First Civ times, so of course he wants her back. As for her taking over the players body, that's the ultimate goal of those two; to be reborn and bring humans back under the control of the First Civ.

[Bite]

Roberts is Aita, Juno's husband, she found a way to hack humanity's DNA so he would be reborn over and over again as a Human, the letters in bottles you find around the game also talk about another Sage who describes how it felt for him to live with someone else's memories, so in the end it's not an animus thing, it's just Aita being born over and over again, keeping his memories aswell.

As for the player, well, it always gave me the impression that Ubisoft really wanted us to think it was -us-, literally, like it's us who are going through all of that, since they felt it was strange to play as a man playing as another man (playing as Desmond as he plays being someone else, Altair, Ezio, Connor) so in the end AC4 puts, again, us literally, so we cna jump straight into the action with less hoops.

And well, as for Juno, it feels like we just don't know enough yet, she (from a corporative standpoint) sounds like a cheap excuse to make more games, but from the canon of the story it mostly just sounded as she was still too weak to inhabit a real body.

[Wolf Echo]

Also, I doubt that Robert/John had the plan to "upload" Juno into your body for 100+ years. Odds are that whatever he injected you with was just to weaken you, possibly to give Juno an easier time in tking over. However, since he was asking you waht she said when you meet her after hacking the server, he didn't know that the timing wasn't right for her to reappear, and it was a kind of last-ditch effort, and seeing as he already know he'll be reborn again, getting caught/dying wasn't an issue.

Bite eredeti hozzászólása:

And well, as for Juno, it feels like we just don't know enough yet, she (from a corporative standpoint) sounds like a cheap excuse to make more games, but from the canon of the story it mostly just sounded as she was still too weak to inhabit a real body.

An excuse for more game it might be, but it's a logical one, given that we know that at the end of AC3 Minerva warned Desmond that freeing Juno would mean she'd conquer the world and enslave humanity, so odds are that the meta-story for any games to come is gonna be how the Assassian's fight to prevent that from happening

[Daddy Kaneki]

Also let me add that Robert had a lot of swag at the end. Badass shirt, jacket, and gloves.

[Daddy Kaneki]

Quietus Wolf eredeti hozzászólása:

Also, I doubt that Robert/John had the plan to "upload" Juno into your body for 100+ years. Odds are that whatever he injected you with was just to weaken you, possibly to give Juno an easier time in tking over. However, since he was asking you waht she said when you meet her after hacking the server, he didn't know that the timing wasn't right for her to reappear, and it was a kind of last-ditch effort, and seeing as he already know he'll be reborn again, getting caught/dying wasn't an issue.

So if Roberts was on the side of the Assassins, why does he want Juno to rule the world?

Unless the Assassins want her to rule the world?

[Wolf Echo]

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Quietus Wolf eredeti hozzászólása:

Also, I doubt that Robert/John had the plan to "upload" Juno into your body for 100+ years. Odds are that whatever he injected you with was just to weaken you, possibly to give Juno an easier time in tking over. However, since he was asking you waht she said when you meet her after hacking the server, he didn't know that the timing wasn't right for her to reappear, and it was a kind of last-ditch effort, and seeing as he already know he'll be reborn again, getting caught/dying wasn't an issue.

So if Roberts was on the side of the Assassins, why does he want Juno to rule the world?

Unless the Assassins want her to rule the world?

Robert was never truly on the side of the Assassians. He used Edward to get to the Observatory, then tried to kill him. Same with whoever you play is in Abstergo; He used you to hack the servers, trying to effectivly destroy you as a person so that Juno could be resurected. Also remember that, at that time, Edward was not truly an Assassian, he just wore the uniform, used the weapons and had the skills. He only became a real assassian at the end when he returned to England.

The Assassians want Juno defeated, as that was Desmond's last wish before he died to save the world. Robert's wants Juno alive because, well, he's her husband and he's come to hate humanity over the centuries.

[Bite]

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Quietus Wolf eredeti hozzászólása:

Also, I doubt that Robert/John had the plan to "upload" Juno into your body for 100+ years. Odds are that whatever he injected you with was just to weaken you, possibly to give Juno an easier time in tking over. However, since he was asking you waht she said when you meet her after hacking the server, he didn't know that the timing wasn't right for her to reappear, and it was a kind of last-ditch effort, and seeing as he already know he'll be reborn again, getting caught/dying wasn't an issue.

So if Roberts was on the side of the Assassins, why does he want Juno to rule the world?

Unless the Assassins want her to rule the world?

At the end of the game, Shaun and Rebbeca call you telling you they're sorry that John was a psycho, and that it wasn't in the Assassin's agenda to release Juno, however, given how low their resources are, they had to take whoever they could, so working with John seemed like a good idea at first, and they didn't even know he was that complicated to begin with, they do seem truly sorry about what happened too, even to the point of calling you and apologizing.