This is unfair!...

[Atom.Little]

If you have a seconmdary objective saying you have to disarm three guards, and you disarm one but then get killed by another guard further down the road, your disarm suddenly isn't counted, and that's not fair.

How long am I required to stay alive after each disarming action for it to count?

Mind you, the challenge says nothiong about diarming three guards without getting killed in between the disarmings and fights. It only says "Disarm theee guards".

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P.S. On top of it all the challenge comes up at a time where I've done almost everything there is to do at Nassau Island, and that includes countless disarmings. But suddenly I have to do three more unconnected to everything else, and it's made particularlyu difficult too - which in itself can't be criticized because it helps you refine your technique. But to not count your disarmings will always be wrong.

See it this way: There are repetitious content enough in the game as it is, we don't need more. Also, there are plenty of opportunities to feel inadequate, why add one more by not counting what you actually succeed in doing?

P.P.S. Please take into account that when I post frustrated posts like this one which to many must seem like nitpicking, part of the reason really is that I've had the misfortune of being forced to restart the game from scratch no less than three times, and especially in my last previous play-through I had completed so much of the content (being a completist on top of it all, so all chests, Shanties, Bottles with letters about hidden treasures, Manuscripts (these guarded chests carrying documents, not just gold), hunting all the various animals, skinning them, and making the following upgrades in personal gear, gathering all the endless number of Animus Fragments, and hunting and defeating ships whereby I slowly, but surely became able to make all the Jackdaw upgrades (with a few - two, I believe) exceptions), creating a decent Kenway's Fleet that I didn't put most of my effort into because I didn't quite understand what it's purpose was; heard from several sources that it was just a mini-game within a game, kind of like playing cards etc., which were also things I hadn't spend time on; but I did most Assassin contracts too, as well as the contracts at sea...

Well, that's pretty much it...

And now I am doing All of it..., All over Again. - I hope this helps to understand my sometimes grouchy outbursts better and see that they're not coming from out of nowhere like in a spoiled teen who's grouchy or angered whenever something doesn't go his way. That is definitely not what this is about. There are things in my life that gives words like 'unfair' a completely different and otherwise loaded meaning, but I shall refrain from getting further into that here. This is about gaming, our virtual lives, not about what we consensually call 'Real Life'.

[Atom.Little]

Ohh, I think I understand now. I just disarmed three guards and killed them with their muskets. In the tracker it counts as one kill. So I must in reallitry disarm three guards plus kill them (with their own arms - that's an assumption and I act on it in order to be on the safe side), but I have to do this three times.

It isn't three kils in total, but 9 kills over three times where you each time disarm and kill three guards.

Not unfair after all, just poorly explained. But at least it IS explained - so many secondary objectives only get known to you after the whole sequence is complete and you have flunked it because you didn't know.

I have noticed on a few occassions that these secndary objectives sometimes will be made known to you in advance, but it happens so quickly and personally I can't read the text that fast. I'm not a fast reader to begin with, and I can only imagine how it must be for the younger generations and younger players in general who hasn't yet become accustomed to reading a lot, not to mention reading fast (and why would they learn to do so? After all, most things can be said with very few words now a days, by using abbreviations and cutting out everything that isn't absolutely necessary for the meaning to get through within the context of which it is being written).

[Atom.Little]

Okay, now I'm just confused!!...

First I disarmed and killed 5 men with their own weapons. Only one of these kills was counted and I thought it was just some sort of buggishness - nothing major, after all it happens all the time that things you do don't get counted, like f.ex. often they just don't get saved even if you wait some time in order to give the game engine time to register the many various things you've done within maybe less than 10 min.

So I didn't give it much thought but was more interested in what I thought to be the discovery of how the secondary objective "Disarm and kill three guards" worked. I thought the counting three kills as one meant you had to kill three men with their own weapons after first disarming them.

But now, after I wroite the previous post, I returned to the game ad killed yet one more guard. I decided to check, just to make sure I was correct in my latest assumption, but now this single kill had been counted too!

...Or... have the first two kills PLUS the last kill finally all been counted, and the two times three kills has now registered as 2 of the three objectives having been completed? Or is it that I really only have to kill one guard - as was my first immediate perception of the wording of this objective "Disarm and kill three guards"?

I don't know what to think, i't a mess TBH. - But hey, I'll just continue disarming and killing guards until the whole secondary objective has been completed.

P.S. LOL. I just gotta laugh at this confusion and how easy it is to misinterpret things. :)

[Atom.Little]

WTF!!????

I cxompleted this 15 minutews ago and trhen went on my way to complete the rest of the secondary stuff. I just died fighting a crocodile I had only one option by which TO fight (spamming LMB).

As usual I was respawned at a location almost as far away from where I was at as I could possibly get (nothing new about that). But when I looked to see how many Shanties I had - and couldn't find the info under neither Inventory, Progress Tracker, or Abstergo Challenges (I think the last one was), I chyecked on my progress to see if I'd at least gotten those chests I'd been gathering just before I died.

But lo and behold, what I did see made me forget everything about chest, shanties or whatever. I saw: "Objective: Disarm three guards and kill them".

Everything I've spend the past 1,20 hours on doing has been canceled, it's as if I hadn't done anything at all.

I'm too p*ssed to continue with this game right now. This is not what I consider having fun - repeating unpeleasant or half pleasant things almost indefinitely.

Byw for now - and hopefully for a long time to come. I'm f*cking out'a here.

[Atom.Little]

...And NO! I was NOT disconnected from neither Steam nor Uplay, believe me, I'd have noticed!!

[Patton521]

I take it to the part of the game you're referring to is the part where you have to recruit the crew for the Jackdaw right? If it is you need to kill the so called agile guards, i.e the ones with the knives and no hats. If you have a thowing knife get rid of it first, then go unarmed and attack one of these guards or wait for them to attack you, counter their attack, press space, and then press F to throw the knife at them, and then two more times and done. I hope this helps, I was very frustrated with this objective too until I figured it out.

[Atom.Little]

Darnmit they did it AGAIN!!!!

I'd just finished everything tyhere is to do at Nassau Island and was on my way with the next mission. Then I login today, and what do I find, I'm not on my way havbing started the next mission, I'm back several hours and on my way to Nassau where I can start the whole thing over!

There's something very wrongf with the way you save games. And I had actually made SURE the game got saved before I logged out. But I can shove all that attempting to adjust to the game mechanics right up where the sun doesn't shine.

And you can ban me for saying so, I really don't care much anymore.

[Atom.Little]

Originally posted by Patton521:

I take it to the part of the game you're referring to is the part where you have to recruit the crew for the Jackdaw right? If it is you need to kill the so called agile guards, i.e the ones with the knives and no hats.

According to the game objective I just had to disarm guards with weapons and use those weapons to kill the guards. This is what I did, and this is what I got credit for. I had completed the objective, the game SAID so! But then suddenly - I don't recall if I had logged out in the meantime or not, but - sudddenly when I was about to continue to the next part of the game, it said I hadn't completed any of those objectives. I tried a few times to do it all over again, but suddenly I couldn't get it done (fast enough, anyway) and got killed at every try, so I abandoned the onbjective al together and continued on my way as I had meant to do the first time when I had completed "Disarm and kill three guards".

Originally posted by Patton521:

If you have a thowing knife get rid of it first, then go unarmed and attack one of these guards or wait for them to attack you, counter their attack, press space, and then press F to throw the knife at them, and then two more times and done. I hope this helps, I was very frustrated with this objective too until I figured it out.

This was how I did it, though you don't have to get rid of anything, there's a setting showing a fist which means you're fighting unarmed.

It was a secondary objective, by the way, so I didn't loose anything except achievement potential and a lot of time was wasted. If you read my latest entry you'll see it happened again, and this time it was both main objectives and secondary ones. I did every goddarn thing you can possibly do on that island, and now it's as if I haven't done anything there at all. It's a small island, but man, does it have many of those things where you need to climb to place and jump around in order to fetch them, inciuding some Shanties which are the one kind of collectibles that make real sense because it adds to the audio variety when you're at sea.

So, I'll try to explain it one more time, hopefully making it more clear what the issue is:

It is not that there are things I can't do or can't get done. I can do it all. It's that once I've done it the game resets itself to an earlier save so I keep wasting hours completing main and secondary objectives only to find the next time when I login, that the game didn't save my progress (even though I saw it do so!), so now I have to do it all all over again. NOT FUNNY!! There's plenty of repetitious content in the game as it is, I really don't appreciate being forced to repeat more than necessary.

Furthermore - and this is me, my reaction - the more I have to repeat something, the more I tend to hurry and become sloppy, and the more I fail and have to do things yet AGAIN.

So now I'm torn between leaving the game altogether because I've become fed up with what feels as if I'm being taken for a ride just to make things as nasty and not fun as possible, and on the other hand I've never gotten to finish the game because once the game files got corrupted so I had to reinstall and start over, and the second time my computer broke down and I had to buy a new, reinstall the game and start over again. So this is the third time I'm trying to get through this game, but never has it been like this with the saves being somehow deleted so I end up where I was at hours earlier.

Anyway, I'm not gonna replay Nassau. I'm going to do exactly what I must and then leave, without any of the collectibles and without doing any Assassin missions.


I appreciate your reply, though. Thanks for your input.

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P.S. Man, I'm so angry. And making the player angry is not what a video game is meant to do.

It's common for people to get angry every once in a while because of something to do with a game, but lately when I play Black Flag I'm almost constantly angry. It's unfair to me as a player, but certainly also to the game and those who created it - I'm talking about the developers themselves but not the business behind them because I know full well that they don't care - especially unfair for a game with so much to offer as this one. And when you take into account the preassure the developers who work for Ubisoft is under, Black Flag is an extraordinary achievement.

P.P.S. It seems the island's name is Salt Key, Nassau was probably where I was the last time (with the "Disarm three guards and kill them" objective. - Anyway, I realize it has been recognized that I was here before, but I still have to pay the bribe again even though I haven't been out of the harbour sice I did so the last time.

P.P.P.S. It also turns out they haven't recognized that I plundered a hunter ship, so synchronization is again not complete. But I don't even care about that anymore, I only care about not getting the goods I took from that ship... and yeah, I AM a little angry about the game's continuous "lies" about saying I haven't done thing I most definitely have done. This is even from before going and paying the bribe and doing all the secondary stuff at the island.

Maybe it's just better to stick with the main story and give the rest a finger since you don't get credit for it anyway. I can only repeat that this game's saving mechanism is next to completely worthless.

Very sour and grouchy player over and out (<-- definitely not my usual self).

[Atom.Little]

Patton521,

you're right, under the Abstergo Challenges tab it does say "Disarm and kill three AGILE guards", and that's probably the reason why it was never counted, because neither of the guards I disarmed and killed were agile guards (agile guards are those who run you up and tackle you to the ground). But in the objective - the one that pops up while you're playing - it said nothing about the guards having to be agile. Sloppy work that give people wrong or incomplete information, and I don't see any less reason to be dissatisfied with this.

But thanks for pointing it out, I actually thought you were wrowng until I happened to check out the Abstergo Challenges tab just now. Please accept my apology.

[Patton521]

Hey, no big. The objective in itself is very misleading since it doesn't specify which kind of guards to disarm and kill. It drove me a mad too trying to figure it out but I finally googled it and found out what's what. There's a few other objectives that are like that, they don't give any details as to what you have to do and how to do it. If you really need to go and google assassin's creed black flag walkthough. There's one from IGN that's fairly good and can give some ideas as to how do most of the secondary objectives.

[Atom.Little]

Originally posted by Patton521:

There's a few other objectives that are like that, they don't give any details as to what you have to do and how to do it. If you really need to go and google assassin's creed black flag walkthough. There's one from IGN that's fairly good and can give some ideas as to how do most of the secondary objectives.

Thanks pal, good to be forwarned. I'll be sure to check out IGN's walkthrough, I think it might be helpful at some point, especially with the objectives and what you're really meant to do or not to do.

P.S. I did check out two websites about Black Flag, but they were half finished and not many players frequented them. Most of the content was about tech stuff and what hardware could run the game, i.e., y'know, mainly stuff from very short after the game's release.

Thanks for the tip.