Why do they call this a "Roguelike" or a "Roguelite"?

[Hikari ネコ]

Okay, yes, actually it's called a "Roguelite" for pure marketting purposes.

Which sounds better to an individual, a 2d action platforming dungeoncrawler, or a 2d action platforming roguelite?

Seriously though, roguelite is a made-up term by the developers in an attempt to make the game sound cooler and unique.

But calling it a "roguelike"? Are you serious?

"Roguelike" is a very strict genre, despite what many people think as the idea of a genre being this strict is very "unlikely." But it is.

In order for a roguelike to be a roguelike, it must be:

Top-down
Turnbased
RPG
Permadeath
Complex
Floor-based

If it has one or two of these, then it's not a roguelike or a roguelite, it's a "Dungeon Crawler," which is exactly what Rogue was.

But if you're underage, let me tell you that a "Roguelike" is "like rogue," and old windows game.

So why do people call this game a Roguelite/like?

[Lord of Leavening]

You're talking about the genre Roguelike. They don't claim that is the genre. They are just saying it's similair to a Rogue in the sense that it has perma-death(sort of). And it's RogueLite becasue it's not REALLY permadeath.
EDIT: I haven't seen any official reference to RogueLike. You just talking about fans?

[Hikari ネコ]

But that's a retarded reason to call it "rogue" at all.

I guess Reciever is Roguelite, too. Or Binding of Isaac.

[Lord of Leavening]

I interpert Binding of isaac as rogue... lol.
But I honestly have never played a legit rogue game. What i'm more thinking is Like Rogue like. I've always thought of the genre as Rogue. So i was thinking Like the genre rogue. Really i'm thinking like the genre roguelike. If that makes sense :|

[Henchman 21]

From wikipedia:

"With computers and video game consoles capable of more advanced graphics and gameplay, numerous games have emerged that are loosely based on the classic roguelike design but diverge in one or more features. Many of these games use the concept of procedural-generated maps and permadeath, while moving away from tile-based movement and turn-based gameplay. As such, the term "roguelike" has been used to describe games that possess one or more of the features of the Berlin Interpretation though not necessarily all of the features. The term "roguelike-like" or "rogue-lite" has been used to distinguish these games that possess some, but not all, of the Berlin Interpretation features from those that exactly meet the Berlin roguelike definition."

[Hikari ネコ]

The genre is "Dungeoncrawler"

Roguelike means the game is "Like Rogue" and has a strict definition.

Binding of Isaac is a dungeoncrawler
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon is a dungeoncrawler

Some examples of real roguelikes are:
Nethack
Dwarf Fortress Adventure Mode
Stone Dungeon Crawl Soup

[Hikari ネコ]

引用自 writinguy：

From wikipedia:

"With computers and video game consoles capable of more advanced graphics and gameplay, numerous games have emerged that are loosely based on the classic roguelike design but diverge in one or more features. Many of these games use the concept of procedural-generated maps and permadeath, while moving away from tile-based movement and turn-based gameplay. As such, the term "roguelike" has been used to describe games that possess one or more of the features of the Berlin Interpretation though not necessarily all of the features. The term "roguelike-like" or "rogue-lite" has been used to distinguish these games that possess some, but not all, of the Berlin Interpretation features from those that exactly meet the Berlin roguelike definition."

Didn't your highschool teacher tell you to never quote wikipedia? It's filled with several innacuracies, especially when it pertains to hobbies.

It believes that binding of isaac is a roguelike, and it also thinks that Kirby Amazing Mirror isn't a metroidvania.

It also thinks La-mulana's original and remake are the same game.

[Lord of Leavening]

That is not what a dungeon crawler is. A dungeon crawler is so much more than just a partial roguelike. I'm not saying Rogue Legacy is a roguelike. But it definitely is a descendant of that genre. Just as binding of isaac is. It's an adapted descendant. Genres are misinterpreted so much now anyways it's a waste of energy to argue about it. Games with tiny rpg elements are called rpg's and games that have multiplayer are called mmo's all the time.
EDIT: Also i don't really give a damn what it's called lol. It's fun <3

[DrTimH]

I'm curious, is there an answer that you'd accept? Or are you just trying to show the internet how very smart you are. The creators don't actually call their game a roguelike. Yes, you are correct in stating that "rogue-lite" is a rather silly and meaningless term, but that they went with rogue-lite instead of roguelike should at least clue you in to the idea that it's a little different from a roguelike.
Are you also very upset with the term roguelike-like?

[Hikari ネコ]

I'm already aware that Roguelite and Roguelike-like are marketting terms to fool idiots into thinking they're elitist or have high-standards, and thus buying their game.

The point of an argument is to get the opposing opinion to change, or atleast come to terms with another opinion.

Stating "Is there an answer that you'd accept?" would be similar in asking "Will you ever fall on your ass, and ♥♥♥♥♥ out?"

[Lord of Leavening]

Their marketing ploy jas nothing to do with that lmao. Get off your high horse please. I get where you're coming from but you're taking it way to seriously. 1. I said roguelike-like. NOT Cellar door. So don't blame that on them. And back to thier marketing tactic. Go look at thier website. If you think they're going for elitist... just look again. It's obvious they are going for sillyness. They make the game sound fun and silly. Not elitist.

[Hikari ネコ]

I would sincerely doubt that they would call their game a "roguelite" out of sheer stupidity, as that would make people stay away from their game, more than anything else.

After ctrl+f-ing "roguelike-like, " this is the first time you've ever said it in this conversation.

and of course it's clearly a marketing attempt, why else would they put that up there for everyone to view? If it was in a minor interview, or when they were asked to describe it, that's fine.

But when they outright call it a "Roguelite" on their official website, that show's they're trying to attract the rogue-like audience.

[Lord of Leavening]

I basiaclly said it here. "But I honestly have never played a legit rogue game. What i'm more thinking is Like Rogue like. I've always thought of the genre as Rogue. So i was thinking Like the genre rogue. Really i'm thinking like the genre roguelike. If that makes sense :|" Just changed it later, if you are saying they called it that show me proof. And yes they do want to attract rogue players. But they called it lite to attract new players who are not into it. It is heavily influenced by the roguelike genre. So they referenced it. wth is the deal with that. Also where did sheer stupidity come from? How is marketing the game as fun and silly stupid when it's fun and silly. wtf.

[DrTimH]

It was the first time I've contributed to this thread, so yes, it would the first time I brought it up. My question would have been better phrased as "would you be just as upset if they just called their game a roguelike-like instead"

[Hikari ネコ]

It's not heavily influenced if it's nothing like it, however. Aside from Permadeath (which, mind you isn't really "permadeath" at all.) there are no aspects "like rogue."

Except, maybe RPG.

And yes, Fallorn, I would be equally upset. I would rather it be called a randomly generated action platformer, or a sidescrolling dungeoncrawler.

[DrTimH]

引用自 Misery：

I'm already aware that Roguelite and Roguelike-like are marketting terms to fool idiots into thinking they're elitist or have high-standards, and thus buying their game.

Only one person here is being elitist, and it's none of us.
You are a very angry person, perhaps it's time for bed.