Why Romance Options Are Bad

[GrandMajora]

Garou x Garou shipping violates the Litany, and results in the production of Metis breeds.

Metis are born in Crinos form, which is their default state (massive threat to the Veil). Not only that, but they are almost universally deformed in some way, either physically, mentally, or spiritually.

I say 'almost' because there is a prophecy regarding one Metis who will supposedly be born without any flaws. However, details on them are sketchy at best, and ultimately up to the Story Teller to decide how their prophecy will play out.

So, as a Garou, being able to romance your fellow packmates is pretty bad. The only option that wouldn't violate the Litany and result in a mutated monster cub would be the human, Nomi.

[Alward]

Metis don't exist in WtA 5e.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Alward:

Metis don't exist in WtA 5e.

And while I'm happy for that, it was still forbidden by the Litany for Garou to mate with other Garou. Thus, the existence of romance options with your fellow pack members would have been a bad idea.

[Alward]

The "new" litany does not prevent garou from mating with garou. WtA 5e actually almost encourage 2 garous in a relationship since they got rid of kinfolks and other garou are the best to understand you.

Thus the romance options in the game are valid.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Alward:

The "new" litany does not prevent garou from mating with garou. WtA 5e actually almost encourage 2 garous in a relationship since they got rid of kinfolks and other garou are the best to understand you.

Thus the romance options in the game are valid.

Again, something I'm happy with; since I thought the idea of forbidding Garou to be with each other was, is, and shall always be idiotic.

Sadly, one good change does not make up for the deluge of bad ones that were introduced with 5th edition.

[CloudKira]

Are there any human romanceable options too?

Though I see no issues with Garou X Garou

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by CloudKira:

Are there any human romanceable options too?

The journalist is a human romance option, and the only one that I'm familiar with.

[Diana Nemorensis]

I'm glad "Metis" were written out of 5e. It was a very limiting concept to begin with, and I'm sure the actual Metis people wouldn't have appreciated being synonymous with the deformed, inbred strain of werewolves that WTA tried to push over twenty years ago. It was idiotic, as you said.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by pinche loca:

I'm glad "Metis" were written out of 5e. It was a very limiting concept to begin with, and I'm sure the actual Metis people wouldn't have appreciated being synonymous with the deformed, inbred strain of werewolves that WTA tried to push over twenty years ago. It was idiotic, as you said.

My problem with Metis had nothing to do with real world politics. I thought it was stupid, because the anger issues of the Garou, combined with the effects of Delirium, made breeding with non-Garou ruinously dangerous.

I mean, just take our MC in this game for instance. Their first change involves them slaughtering their own parents!

At least now, the Garou can mate with somebody who knows about their struggles, and has enough power to defend themselves.

[Deranged Duck]

Originally posted by Alward:

Metis don't exist in WtA 5e.

I'ma not lie, I went my first run without any romance because of the whole Metis thing, I didn't know this was using the V5 system lol.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Deranged Duck:

Originally posted by Alward:

Metis don't exist in WtA 5e.

I'ma not lie, I went my first run without any romance because of the whole Metis thing, I didn't know this was using the V5 system lol.

Not just Metis, they apparently got rid of the concept of breeds all together?

They even mention something like that in the early part of the game when talking about wolf born "We used to call them Lupus."

I guess W5 is trying to steer away from implications of bestiality?

[Noclear]

i think they erradicate metises in 5ed

[Noclear]

which sad, cause its destroy dramatical aspect of impossibleness to be with another garou

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Noclear:

which sad, cause its destroy dramatical aspect of impossibleness to be with another garou

Personally, I hated the idea of Garou not being able to mate with other Garou. Hated it in Forsaken, and I still hate it in Apocalypse.

The inherent rage of the Garou, combined with the effects of Delirium means any attempts at raising a family with humans is a disaster waiting to happen.

Garou should have been allowed to stick with their own kind, and reduce stress of constantly wondering if one of their kids was going to flip out and slaughter their loved ones some day.

[Abaddon]

yeah, but your first change goin bad, and leads to you offin your family kinda makes a point that the werewolf is a monster. theyre supposed to be monsters. they dont have humanity scores do they, on ttpnp? i get that the differnt tribes have their own way of thinkin on how to fight, or deal with humans, but theyre the horrors and shock troops of the wyld. i guess, unless the tribes doctrine and how closely they follow it is their humanity or path or whatever?

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Abaddon:

yeah, but your first change goin bad, and leads to you offin your family kinda makes a point that the werewolf is a monster. theyre supposed to be monsters. they dont have humanity scores do they, on ttpnp? i get that the differnt tribes have their own way of thinkin on how to fight, or deal with humans, but theyre the horrors and shock troops of the wyld. i guess, unless the tribes doctrine and how closely they follow it is their humanity or path or whatever?

They are only monsters from a human centric perspective.

The Changing Breeds were created by Gaia to help fight against the forces of the Wyrm, who is the deific personification of death and destruction.

The Wyrm wants to destroy the world and everything living within it, while the Garou (and friends) are trying to prevent that.


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All of the different splats in World of Darkness have a rating that effectively functions as their equivalent of Humanity, to stop you from leaning too hard into your more supernatural side.

Vampires have Humanity, Changelings have Bedlam, Demons have Torment, est.

Even the Humans themselves have an Integrity rating, which serves as a measure of how much of a psychopath they are.

In the case of Garou, I believe it's called Harmony? That might be a Forsaken thing, so if I'm wrong about that, somebody please correct me.

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As for how they deal with humans, The Litany is supposed to help curb the worst aspects about that.

The reason why Garou are forbidden to mate with other Garou, is specifically to prevent them from losing touch with humans. Because if they were allowed to mate with each other, then the Garou Nation would probably try to do so exclusively, until they stop seeing humans as people.

The Litany also forbids you from consuming human flesh... or, at least, it is supposed to do so. Turns out The Windego refuse to honor that part, because "it's part of our culture!"