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cirrenna Nov 19, 2023 @ 2:30am
Running Train Simulator on an external SSD drive
Is it possible to run Train Simulator on an external SSD hard drive?

I do not really fancy going through a process of having to transfer all of my hard drive onto a newly installed SSD drive.
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Warwick Rail Nov 19, 2023 @ 3:52am 
Yes, but remember an internal SSD will operate faster, simply because the external SSD data transfer rate will be somewhat restricted by the speed of the connection interface with your computer. Much better to install an extra internal SSD inside your PC - and preferably ditch hard drives completely.
Warwick Rail Nov 19, 2023 @ 4:34am 
You are probably right. With the fast connections you describe you could virtually match the speed of an NVMe internal SSD drive, but I am not sure whether you could surpass it. I stand to be corrected if I am wrong.
x1Heavy Nov 19, 2023 @ 5:02am 
The M2 USB Standard in the current computers is fast enough. The TSC sits on a standard terabyte (Seagate) spinner USB Drive from last year via usb. No problems.

Theres a extra NVMe port for another SSD if wanted. and the SATA ports are empty at the motherboard.

At some point the spinner is going to be replaced by a fast SSD off the USB. It will take about a day to download it to that.
Last edited by x1Heavy; Nov 19, 2023 @ 5:03am
Chicken Balti Nov 19, 2023 @ 6:36am 
Unless connected by Thunderbolt 3/4 or USB/C connections to your PC, an external SSD (especially an NVMe SSD) will run much slower than its advertised internal PC PCIe3/4 slot speed. Obtainable actual transfer speeds will also depend on the type of external SSD used. SATA SSD's being the slowest.
SSD speeds are always governed by the slowest data chain link/connection in your system and can't transfer data faster than the actual speed limitations via the actual connection in use. PCIe slots inside your PC on the motherboard, will always provide the fastest speeds your particular SSD type is capable of. So little point in buying more expensive 'potentially faster' NVMe M.2 drives, if its data transfer speed hampered by your slower external connection method like USB for instance.
Best.
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Felix.AVMP Nov 19, 2023 @ 9:28am 
Originally posted by cirrenna:
Is it possible to run Train Simulator on an external SSD hard drive?

I do not really fancy going through a process of having to transfer all of my hard drive onto a newly installed SSD drive.

Yes, it is.

And a matter of fact, I do use mechanical (yes, mechanical, not a typo) external 7200 rpm hard drive to test various versions, as I do not want to clutter my internal SSD drives (TSC is not THAT demanding, it will more than happily run off the conventional hard drive, provided the drive in question has reasonably fast connection and the system itself has enough RAM to cache it).

One caveat though - most common type of connection is USB 3 (or faster) and while this connection is fast enough to play this game (especially of the SSD), it is rather poor "multitasker", so some "self-discipline" is sometimes required (internal drives, no matter whether SATA or NVMe, can handle even several continuous "streams" of data much more readily than external drive, which can usually handle only one at time - this is not a problem when playing game, but it can be a problem, when doing several things at once - it will run and it will finish, eventually, but it the system response might be rather slow).
OldAlaskaGuy Nov 19, 2023 @ 11:20am 
All 5 of my SSD drives are Samsung 970 or 980 series NVMe drives for a total of 8TB and one mechanical 4 TB 7200 RPM for documents, pictures, and video because of the read/write volume. I use Samsung Magician to manage trim and set over provisioning and monitor drive health.
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x1Heavy Nov 19, 2023 @ 1:43pm 
USB allows you to have something like 120 or so devices.

I recall a video years ago where a Asian took 126 USB devices and raided all of them The result was a system that could blaze everything. I will have to go back and see if I can find it.

So a game on this one, another game on that one and 98 more games to go....

Flash or thumb drives are my go to for storage. There are a handful from college days 20 years plus that still work fine. although its hard to use them because they are so tiny today. 256 mb or whatever does not go far.

Current NVMe SSD's seriously blew my mind. They are awesome to use a 80's term. I would carefully choose one big fat fast sob and stick that into the box. See how that goes. Its even possible to install a PCI card with storage on it now and opens up possibilites that make system ram itself obsolete in a way of speaking.

I brought my vet back from our VA recently and it blew me away that the Pharmacy was running off desktops not much larger than a deck of playing cards now.
Last edited by x1Heavy; Nov 19, 2023 @ 1:46pm
Phase3 Nov 19, 2023 @ 2:52pm 
The expensive option is the Seagate FireCuda gaming Hub (SSD not included) when connected via a Thunderbolt Port AND Special Cable (included) will deliver the same speeds as an internal NVMe drive.
Chicken Balti Nov 19, 2023 @ 3:43pm 
It's a complicated 'USB connection' subject in reality and not made any easier by the confusing industry naming standards used, as the article below explains. Some buy external SSD's and then wonder why they can't achieve the SSD's advertised speed. All down to the type of connection to your PC of course, but poorly explained for most folk.
Best rule of thumb if lucky to own a more modern PC with a modern motherboard included, is use the now common M.2 PCIe NVMe slot or slots for the fastest bandwidth M.2 NVMe SSD connections to your CPU. Otherwise (or as well), use an internal mounted SATA III connected SSD or multiples of connected to your PC's internal SATA III input hub. Slower data transfer but still much better than older HDD's.
Best.
https://www.techadvisor.com/article/742967/usb-speeds-types-and-features-explained.html
Spikee1975 Nov 19, 2023 @ 6:58pm 
Plugged a dedicated 1TB NVMe SSD into my mainboard (took a few minutes only) and run TSC from there nicely.
OldAlaskaGuy Nov 19, 2023 @ 9:22pm 
Originally posted by Spikee1975:
Plugged a dedicated 1TB NVMe SSD into my mainboard (took a few minutes only) and run TSC from there nicely.
Same here only with a 2TB NVMe.
cirrenna Nov 20, 2023 @ 5:11am 
This is a comment from the person who built my current PC:- "We would have to reload windows and all your programs.. that’s what needs to go onto SSD so would be the same job. We could leave the old drive in there for extra storage if you require it."

Is he right or just playing safe?
mojo_musica Nov 20, 2023 @ 5:34am 
Originally posted by cirrenna:
This is a comment from the person who built my current PC:- "We would have to reload windows and all your programs.. that’s what needs to go onto SSD so would be the same job. We could leave the old drive in there for extra storage if you require it."

Is he right or just playing safe?
Drives can be copied easily, I transferred my Windows 10 system disk and all programs and files on my "C\" drive to a new NVme M2 drive. It is simple to do and it keeps all your programs and settings as they were before.
There is no need to re-install Windows or your programs if you do not wish to, a simple drive copy is all that is needed. You can certainly format and re-use the old drive for bulk data storage or archiving, that is exactly what I did.
If you go for a new NVme M2 drive(s), you will be shocked at the increase is speed and decrease in load times.
For example the old mechanical SATA 1 Tb drive read/write was tested @ 176 Mb/s read, 171 Mb/s write.
The 500 Gb Samsung 970 Evo plus M2 tested @ 3563 Mb read, 3267 Mb/s write.
That is about a 20 times increase in speed.
x1Heavy Nov 20, 2023 @ 6:43am 
Hes sort of right. Making too many words than it needs to be. Mojo described it best.

Physically I would buy a NVMe SSD Drive for the extra socket on the motherboard in my machine, something decently huge and fast like 1T, 2T or even larger. Plug in. Use Windows Control Panel Admin - Storage etc (Older windows 7 style. Win 10 probably will behave somewhat differently) to format the new SSD and so on. When its virgin and ready, simply...

Mouse over C drive after rebooting, copy and paste to new NVMe SSD. Wait.

Try to confirm that the entire C has copied over to the SSD down to the last little bit of total data in kb.

Assuming you have your box open already, shut down the computer and immediately disconnect the original C. Set aside. Thats your new system image for future problems.

The next boot you do should only have the new SSD in it. Nothing else connected in terms of drives, sticks, storage etc. Your computer will hunt for something to boot from and should see only that new SSD.

Once you reach desktop check that drive to be sure its C and no other letter. Then quietly go over the computer stuff and make sure you have everything more or less as before.

Make a small note sticky paper and find a antistatic wrap, put the old original C drive inside with the note describing what it was, what computer it came from and so on. Find a shelf to store it on.

Thats why I keep Steam, Games, anything else on external USB Drives alone. Anything on my one NVMe Drive inside this computer in particular is just the C drive itself. Nothing else. Whats on that drive is easily replaceable from restore, reimage or otherwise a fresh install of whatever spare windows I have on my shelf. The problem then becomes Redmond verifying and authentication of that key. You cannot do that too often on a given box with the same hardware more often than say annually once.

Win 10, 11 and so on so forth has made me obsolete in some ways and turned me intoa Noob and frankly the current computer is considered disposible. If it fried or had problems that C drive is coming out and sent to the metal works to be erased and then whatever is salvaged will be.

Then its off to the store for a complete new computer with win 10 on it and cash money.

The problem with disposible computers is that you accumulate a collection of various machines on the shelf. Some working, some parts, others somewhere in between. Its a never ending quest.

Two years of college reduced my knowledge of computers to one 4 inch thick text book... Scott Mueller's 15th Anniversary "Upgrading and Repairing PC's" Published by QUE of Indianapolis Indiana.

Combined with a visit to Toms Hardware online. And some light reading over new stuff I am too stupid to understand.

=) Be good y'all.
Last edited by x1Heavy; Nov 20, 2023 @ 6:51am
Chicken Balti Nov 20, 2023 @ 7:57am 
Be aware, many brand new SSD's, including M.2 and SATA III SSD's, come with free to access Cloning/Tools. All making error free verified transfers of older drive content to a new SSD much easier.
Transferring your TSC sim content or any Steam game to a new SSD as part of your LIBRARY games content location setup, is also easy, just follow Steams Guide.
Formatting a new SSD is not always required and dependent on desired future use, as explained in the link below.
https://cpugpunerds.com/need-format-ssd-when-not-used-os/
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