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allancrowley 2015 年 9 月 27 日 上午 6:38
Classes 90/91/86 and 87
First, is it necessary to have a DVT fitted in order to drive the Class 90?

Secondly, can a Class 90 or 91 be used to replaces clases 86 and 87?

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simonmd 2015 年 9 月 27 日 上午 7:28 
No, the class 90 is a separate loco in it's own right with a symmetrical cab at each end. The DVT is only used for 'push me pull you' passenger devices so it doesn't have to change ends. In fact there are alot of class 90s used for freight hauling that of course don't require a DVT.

Certainly the class 90 and 91 'could' be used, however I would say that only the class 90 would be the appropriate choice as I don't believe the 91 has ever been used with anything other than it's own Mk4 coaches and DVT. Again, the 91 is a stand alone loco however so I guess the answer would have to yes, i 'could' be.
allancrowley 2015 年 9 月 27 日 上午 9:25 
Thanks for clearing that up for me.

The reason I ask about the replacement is that whenever I change an 86 for a 90 I can't get the 90 to drive, although everything is set up as "the book". All lights are lit, everything works, parking brake off, alarms reset, outside lights, horn, wipers, etc., etc., but no drive. I asked this question about them failing to drive some weeks ago but was not able to solve the problem.

In another scenario, with a "dedicated" Class 90 I get no problems at all.

Cat 2015 年 9 月 27 日 上午 10:02 
Not sure what you mean by 'replace classes 86 & 87'?
simonmd 2015 年 9 月 27 日 上午 10:15 
If youre talking about making a new scenario, are you sure youve made the '90 a driver consist? Also, there are two version of the '90, the 'HUD' and 'ADV'. It's likely that youre using the advanced model and have missed something simple in the startup checklist. The '90 is actually one of the better simulations in the game and most of the cab switches actually do have a purpose instead of being there for eye candy. Make sure you have things like mater key on and the ETS button pressed, a good guide to starting one up can be found here;

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=285605590
allancrowley 2015 年 9 月 27 日 上午 11:39 
By replacing the 86:

I don't like the 86 so I wanted to change these for Class 90's in a number of scenarios.

Simon, it's interesting that nowhere does it say to cancel the DRA, ONLY after you get a green light, except in the instructions you've linked.

Unfortunately, although I carried them out to the letter (but I had previously) I still can't get any power to the wheels. Everything is in order, all light on that should be, all light off that should be off, panto up, ETS on, parking brake cancelled, etc., etc, but still no luck.

And yes, it is the ADV version I'm trying to use so I tried to control it from the cab - without any luck.
simonmd 2015 年 9 月 27 日 下午 12:56 
Ok, two things then, 1. May I state the obvious and suggest you use the simpler HUD version? 2. If you really want the proper '90, I've just had a drive to refresh my memory and can confirm it can be rather tricky. I'm assuming that from what youve said, youve got the master key in, etc. as the lights wont come on without is so the main point to remind you of is that the reverser HAS to be selected via the cab with the mouse. Pressing your usual key or controller assignment wont work. To check if youve done this, has the driver warning alarm gone off, the one that needs to be cancelled by pressing 'num-pad enter'??
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AshHill07 2015 年 9 月 27 日 下午 6:02 
引用自 simonmd
Certainly the class 90 and 91 'could' be used, however I would say that only the class 90 would be the appropriate choice as I don't believe the 91 has ever been used with anything other than it's own Mk4 coaches and DVT. Again, the 91 is a stand alone loco however so I guess the answer would have to yes, i 'could' be.

In the early days the Class 91 was used exclusively with Mk3 coaches and Buffered Class 43's owing to the fact that no sets of Mk4's were in service at the time. As for non-Mk4 services after that it did happen occasionally, although it was incredibly rare.
http://www.traintesting.com/images/91005%20with%20MK3%20sleepers%20on%20southbound%20test%20run%20at%20Doncaster%2018-05-89.jpg
Exp232 2015 年 9 月 27 日 下午 11:06 
May I also suggest the use of Class 92's to replace some Class 86 services? They could be considered a modern equivalent.
BritishRail60062 2015 年 9 月 28 日 下午 3:41 
The Class 92 is a great locomotive. I prefer it to the Class 86/87 and you can use a DVT with it as stated in the manual :).
AshHill07 2015 年 9 月 28 日 下午 4:19 
I don't think Class 92's are really used on passenger traffic, they definitely aren't the modern equivalent of the 86's.
Seen 92's on ECS moves before, but not scheduled passenger services.
最後修改者:AshHill07; 2015 年 9 月 28 日 下午 4:22
BritishRail60062 2015 年 9 月 28 日 下午 4:23 
I know man but I like to be different :). I think the Class 92's are only restricted to Caledonian and Railtour workings for passenger duties.
Exp232 2015 年 9 月 28 日 下午 6:36 
引用自 AshHill07
I don't think Class 92's are really used on passenger traffic, they definitely aren't the modern equivalent of the 86's.
Seen 92's on ECS moves before, but not scheduled passenger services.

The 86's, particularly later in their lives, were freight locomotives. 87's were the one's allocated to express passenger duties, as they had a far superior bogie setup, and could travel at faster speeds with less wear on the trackbed. 86's were fairly quickly phased into fast freight duties, with a maximum speed of 75mph, if memory serves as it should.

I don't beleive the 92 served as a direct replacement of the 86, but it is a modern equivalent.

AshHill07 2015 年 9 月 29 日 上午 3:21 
引用自 exp232
引用自 AshHill07
I don't think Class 92's are really used on passenger traffic, they definitely aren't the modern equivalent of the 86's.
Seen 92's on ECS moves before, but not scheduled passenger services.

The 86's, particularly later in their lives, were freight locomotives. 87's were the one's allocated to express passenger duties, as they had a far superior bogie setup, and could travel at faster speeds with less wear on the trackbed. 86's were fairly quickly phased into fast freight duties, with a maximum speed of 75mph, if memory serves as it should.

I don't beleive the 92 served as a direct replacement of the 86, but it is a modern equivalent.

The Class 86 was built as a high speed passenger locomotive for use on the West Coast Mainline and later adapted to be usable on freight duties.

The Class 87 was built as a high speed passenger locomotive for use on the West Coast Mainline and later modified for export to Bulgaria.

The Class 90 was built as a high speed passenger locomotive for use on the West Coast Mainline and some were later adapted for freight duties.

The Class 92 was built as a dual voltage freight locomotive for joint use with the SNCF to be used on the Channel Tunnel.

The most modern equivalent of the Class 86 would be the Class 90, and they're still used on express passenger services to this day. The increase in high speed EMU's are what's killing this type of locomotive off, and unfortunately it seems the Class 91's may be the next to go. But the Class 92's have always been dual voltage freight locomotives pretty much dedicated to the Channel Tunnel.
Exp232 2015 年 9 月 29 日 下午 7:51 
引用自 AshHill07
引用自 exp232

The 86's, particularly later in their lives, were freight locomotives. 87's were the one's allocated to express passenger duties, as they had a far superior bogie setup, and could travel at faster speeds with less wear on the trackbed. 86's were fairly quickly phased into fast freight duties, with a maximum speed of 75mph, if memory serves as it should.

I don't beleive the 92 served as a direct replacement of the 86, but it is a modern equivalent.

The Class 86 was built as a high speed passenger locomotive for use on the West Coast Mainline and later adapted to be usable on freight duties.

The Class 87 was built as a high speed passenger locomotive for use on the West Coast Mainline and later modified for export to Bulgaria.

The Class 90 was built as a high speed passenger locomotive for use on the West Coast Mainline and some were later adapted for freight duties.

The Class 92 was built as a dual voltage freight locomotive for joint use with the SNCF to be used on the Channel Tunnel.

The most modern equivalent of the Class 86 would be the Class 90, and they're still used on express passenger services to this day. The increase in high speed EMU's are what's killing this type of locomotive off, and unfortunately it seems the Class 91's may be the next to go. But the Class 92's have always been dual voltage freight locomotives pretty much dedicated to the Channel Tunnel.

I was under the impression that Class 86's spent a larger majority of their working lives on freight services, as they were replaced by 87's within 10 years of their introduction. I see where we differ now.
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