Out of water

[Amtrak]

I was running the Consolidtion over Horseshoe Curve for about an hour. I was almost at the end of the trip approx. 1/4 mile , using the freeform, and all of a sudden it says "out of wate, game overr" I was keeping the loco full of water.and the steam up to about 200 PSI. Whats the answer? Did the tender run out or what. SmokeBox if your around help me out.

[pavig]

Did you leave one of the injector water valves open? If so your loco will leak water. You will be able to see it pouring out below the back of the cabin on either the left or the right (depending on if it is the engineer or fireman's injector).

[Amtrak]

Injectors were all closed

[LeadCatcher]

Originally posted by Amtrak:

Injectors were all closed

Injectors being closed isn't the only thing you have to turn off the warer valves as well -- just turning off the injectors and leaving the water valvles open means you just water the foilage along several miles of track :-)

[Smokebox]

Pavig and Leadcatcher are spot on.

Another thing to watch out for is a core code bug associated with the F4 HUD. If you run the Advanced version and open the water valve and steam injection lever of the exhaust injector (the one on the fireman's side of the cab), and then bring up the F4 HUD, doing so will automatically (and stupidly) close the water valve. The steam lever, however, remains open, so you get no water going into the boiler but lots of steam coming out of the overflow pipe. The only solution is to switch off the F4 HUD (which you shouldn't be using with the Advanced version - to see the track speeds, use the F3 HUD instead), close the lever, and then activate the injector all over again.

Also, for the injectors to work properly, i.e. to pick up the water from the tender, you must open the water valve first and the steam injection lever second, not the other way around.

I hope all of the above helps.

[Amtrak]

I was talking about the consolidation. I checked the water value and steam injector and all is well
The glass shows the boiler is that the safe level. The psi was 200lbs. Chugging alone fine. I know both valves were closed. I don't understand when the water glass shows full or the bubble is near the top with 200psi everthing should be ok. O, bby the was the fire was burning fine. So all I know after about on hour ttunning and almost to the send of my trip, the message shows "ran out of water" and that was the end of my run.

[Smokebox]

Originally posted by Amtrak:

I was talking about the consolidation. I checked the water value and steam injector and all is well
The glass shows the boiler is that the safe level. The psi was 200lbs. Chugging alone fine. I know both valves were closed. I don't understand when the water glass shows full or the bubble is near the top with 200psi everthing should be ok. O, bby the was the fire was burning fine. So all I know after about on hour ttunning and almost to the send of my trip, the message shows "ran out of water" and that was the end of my run.

Was it a double-header? That error is known to happen with all steam double-headers (it's another core code bug).

[Amtrak]

no not a double-header

[Smokebox]

The only thing I can suggest now is that the next time you try a long run, save it often (F2). If you get the "ran out of water" again, quit the scenario and resume it (so that it winds back to the last save), then look at the F5 HUD to see how much water is in the boiler and in the tender.

[jalsina]

I see the water depletion keeps bothering in different ways.
Why do I think all my water problems happened in the Horseshoe Curve?

BTW, I have never, ever, used the F3 HUD and you are showing me the way as it also displays the road information ahead.

[Jackson]

I've had this same thing happen on both the Big Boy and the Challenger when pulling hard for long periods of time. I tried Challenger with both the patch form RWA and without.. does the same thing. Big Boy I only tried with the patches.

No idea if this is related. Just thought I'd mention it.

To reiterate, both HUD's (after having been fixed with the patches) showed plenty of water.

It always ran out at the same place give or take a few hundred yds in the scenario. Finally, when I got near that place, I throttled way back... which was a struggle on the hull, got past that area, throttled back up and it was fine. *shrug* Puzzling. I gave up trying to figure it out.

Edit: This was on Cajon Pass.

[jalsina]

Big Boy and Challenger, that is a new one for me, as I have had trouble with the K4 and the Berkshire. But it confirms a core bug.

[Jackson]

Originally posted by jalsina:

Big Boy and Challenger, that is a new one for me, as I have had trouble with the K4 and the Berkshire. But it confirms a core bug.

Yea it's gotta be. I had 2 dif friends verify with the Challenger on my scenario. I went ahead and put it up. I'm surprised it has not received more thumbs down for that. You know how people are.... lol But I'm glad most ppl are enjoying it.

[jalsina]

And what scenario would be that. Is it from Workshop?

[Jackson]

Originally posted by jalsina:

And what scenario would be that. Is it from Workshop?

Yep, it's called Conserving Diesel

[jalsina]

I have seen it recently. Is it that a steam loco pulling a diesel train?
If it is so, that could be a different problem.