What is the Relationship between The Class 489 & the Class 73

[Axe]

May sound a silly question but I have my reasons and if any one can reply please do so as you feel fit :-)

[AshHill07]

The British Rail Class 489 (or GLV) is a type of electrical multiple unit, specially converted for use on Gatwick Express trains, from London Victoria to Gatwick Airport.

The units were converted from Class 414 driving motors cars, by Eastleigh works in 1983-84, for use on the new Gatwick Express service. They were used to allow push-pull operations, on the London-end of the rakes of Class 488 stock, with a Class 73 locomotive at the other end and both used for propulsion. The units were used as baggage cars.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_489

Basically its the same as the relationship between the Class 90's and Class 82/1's, or the Class 91's and the Class 82/2's. Except the Class 489 has a small 500hp electric motor that can be used in exceptional circumstances as well as additional support for the Class 73.

[Cat]

I was going to say that they are getting married next week, but I won't. ;-)

Thanks Ash, I will check out the 489 tomorrow.

[Axe]

Thanks Ash for your reply.

Cat. This why I value your friendship

[Cat]

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Thanks Ash for your reply.

Cat. This why I value your friendship

Me too yours Axe, I'm going to have one more glass of wine then I'm off to bed. To be continued tomorrow...

Night all.

[Axe]

'Glass of wine?'

Is that a euphemism?

[Cat]

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'Glass of wine?'

Is that a euphemism?

Well it was a glass and a half, had to finish the bottle. Honest Guv.

But while enjoying the last dregs I mused further on the relationship between the 489 & 73.

They were married for quite a while, a typical marriage, a lot of pushing and pulling, back and forth down the same old route. They had a few carriages between them all called Mark 2 which in turn begat another generation all called Mark 3.

They both retired years ago and are probably in that Great Siding in the Sky.

(I really should get a life.)

[slugwash]

Thread revived because I just purchased them as they are 20% off for the next week, so searched through the forum and came across this most amusing banter!

Cheers guys (Cat and Axe) for making me smile on a gloomy day - and thanks AshHill07 for the information.

BTW - Axe, are you going to divulge your mysterious reasons for posting the original question? d;-)

Shame there was not more response about the Class 73 - now I have it, I'd like to know more . . .

[Axe]

Hi Slug.

Yeah sorry for not getting back. At the time it was late and I thought I had found a problem with something. I think it was an incorrect loco on a scenario. I did take some screenshots at the time and I still have them. Give me a little time to review my screens and see if I can piece together my problem , if there was indeed one.

I forgot to follow it up as you find here :-)

[slugwash]

Just finished reading the manual properly - the 73 is not an easy beast with its dual controls and series, parallel and weak field resistor set-up - and the "an array of resistors" illustration is not the best at explaining anything!

The rest of the description and illustrations are quite helpful, but I need more elaboration, particularly on braking - although I did manage to stop OK at Victoria's buffers!

Interestingly, the acknowledgements at the end of the manual (item 6) give thanks to the "Beta Testing Team" . . .

. . . it would be good to have some communication (public) with those guys - especially to see highlights of their reviews . . .

. . . or just to know who they are!

[slugwash]

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Hi Slug.

Yeah sorry for not getting back. At the time it was late and I thought I had found a problem with something. I think it was an incorrect loco on a scenario. I did take some screenshots at the time and I still have them. Give me a little time to review my screens and see if I can piece together my problem , if there was indeed one.

I forgot to follow it up as you find here :-)

No worries, Axe - don't bust a gut over it . . . I may well hit the same snag!

This loco is a challenge and I am glad I have it.

[Axe]

Just for info. I've worked out what it was and I'll get back with pictures. Don't go looking for scenario probs. There may be some but that's not the thing I am going to post :-)

[slugwash]

Ah - thanks Axe - all info will be well received by me! d;-)

[Axe]

There is something confusing the hell out of me here. Can someone please tell me if the Class 73 store page is showing the Class 73 AND the Class 489 in different pics?

http://store.steampowered.com/app/258659/

Before I can even get to grips with my problem I cannot, looking at the pics and the headcode of 20 and 30, and the images in-game begin to explain the confusion.

I see the 73 and the 489 have dual horns with one set being close together and the other further apart but still reckoning this info cannot reconcile which loco goes with which head code (20 or 30) and which horn set, in this DLC.

Can someone tell me which loco is which please?

[Feliks Kschessinsky]

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There is something confusing the hell out of me here. Can someone please tell me if the Class 73 store page is showing the Class 73 AND the Class 489 in different pics?

Before I can even get to grips with my problem I cannot, looking at the pics and the headcode of 20 and 30, and the images in-game begin to explain the confusion.

I see the 73 and the 489 have dual horns with one set being close together and the other further apart but still reckoning this info cannot reconcile which loco goes with which head code (20 or 30) and which horn set, in this DLC.

Can someone tell me which loco is which please?

73:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_73
http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/258659/ss_9e728dbedbc86609fcb4ba6f9011402976096b6c.jpg?t=1460539291
It's a electro diesel locomotive.


489:
http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/258659/ss_9fa01c15030540964846008d770fcdf33bd7259f.jpg?t=1460539291
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_489
These were converted from EMU driving motor vehicles, purely for use as a DVT/baggage car on the Gatwick Express.

The headcodes would not be paired to each loco: in the editor you can set vehicle's numbers. This can include unit number, vehicle number, but in game can also control headcodes and destinations.

[Axe]

Thanks Feliks. I only really brought into it the headcode as part of trying to distinguish between the 2, in the game.

The basis of my problem lies with the lack of correct loco menu images relating to the scenarios of the class 73 and the 489.

Your info helps a lot and I'll try and put into words and pics the problem. Now you have supplied this info I may even find there isn't one. But the menu pics are a problem. Click on the 489 in the Career scenarios and it shows 'Class 73' as the engine for both scenarios when according to the store page one of them is for the 489.