DTG LGV: Can someone explain KVB to me ?

[KajFlo]

Hi !

Driving towards Marseille TVM goes of and KVB shows me --- ---
Now the speed changes down to 110kmh and later to 60kmh but KVB just shows --- ---
i see no indication of these speed changes.

Can someone help me ?
Isnt KVB supposed to act and warn me of speed changes or show me the next maximum allowed speed ?

[KajFlo]

Origineel geplaatst door Chicken Balti:

Origineel geplaatst door KajFlo:

Yeah but i asked about the KVB and why there is no speed indications on the signals.
Do you have any proof that they are not there on the real route ?

Sorry, never been there, however, as I said, speed indications are not always present on some routes worldwide.
Best.

Yeah, already got that long ago.
Now back to topic please.

So can anyone tell me why there are no speed signs and How does KVB "control" the speed ?
I'm interested to know how it works in TS, even if its a dumbed down version of the real thing.

[Microsan]

See page 18 & 19 of the manual of the line and you will see that the KVB is not settled on the whole line -just by trying to switching it on).

The speed limit restriction may also be applied by the lighting system (see page 10 & 11 of the manual)

I think I've understood the location you are talking about (right after the tunnel towards Marseille) when TVM switches off. As suggested above look either the HUD or the lighting system.

[KajFlo]

lighting system tells you only speed restrictions over junctions.
There are no speed signs and KVB just shows --- ---

Can someone please explain how this is supposed to work ?
Wikipedia says: "It checks and controls the speed of moving trains"

How does it work in TS ?

[darkage]

First of all the manual is located in Steam - steamapps - common - Railworks - maunals - your language - Marseille avignon.pdf

in that manual it explains that those dashes --- --- means Speed Restriction is 160 km/h or below, then a flashing yellow means 60 km/h restriction, solid yellow 30 km/h restriction, solid red with white stop and proceed at 30km/h, flashing red 15 km/h restriction and solid red stop

when you pass the first yellow signal KVB will flash an orange white which you must acknowldge with Q, after that if the next singal is yellow an audio warning will play and again aknowledge it with Q

[KajFlo]

But there is no indication for a speed change. The KVB yellow shows when you should expect a stop at the next signal.
There is absolutly NO INDICATION (although the speed posts are there but they only show "open route unnaffected by any speed change".

There is only one warning for a upcoming 60kmh limitation that is correctly displayed.
For the 110kmh (before the 60kmh) and later for the 30kmh there is NO INDICATION.

Also, there is a yellow signal, max speed is 60kmh but if you pass the yellow signal with more then 40kmh (maybe its 35kmh) you get a forced emergency break.

This makes no sense at all.
Looks like DTG ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up the signaling once more.
DTG should only do UK routes...

[Chicken Balti]

Origineel geplaatst door KajFlo:

Origineel geplaatst door Chicken Balti:

Sorry, never been there, however, as I said, speed indications are not always present on some routes worldwide.
Best.

Yeah, already got that long ago.
Now back to topic please.

So can anyone tell me why there are no speed signs and How does KVB "control" the speed ?
I'm interested to know how it works in TS, even if its a dumbed down version of the real thing.

Sorry KajFlo, but you seem to be someone who has already concluded the answer to his help required in your posts and class any answers that don't meet with your pre-concieved thoughts as 'going off topic'. I or anyone else, can't help you if you don't want to be guided in the direction you seek.
Best.

[KajFlo]

Origineel geplaatst door Chicken Balti:

Origineel geplaatst door KajFlo:

Yeah, already got that long ago.
Now back to topic please.

So can anyone tell me why there are no speed signs and How does KVB "control" the speed ?
I'm interested to know how it works in TS, even if its a dumbed down version of the real thing.

Sorry KajFlo, but you seem to be someone who has already concluded the answer to his help required in your posts and class any answers that don't meet with your pre-concieved thoughts as 'going off topic'. I or anyone else, can't help you if you don't want to be guided in the direction you seek.
Best.

There are no answers to my question.

- Memorize the speed changes (F3 HUD)
and
- Look at the manual ( i did that already)

are no valid answers to my question. Do you even habve the route ?
No one could answer it, thats why i guess no one knows the answer.

Most likely the signaling is also not realistic and buggy, typical DTG...

[Microsan]

I have worked for French Railways company a few years ago and I can for sure tell you that :

- DTG route does not reflect everything exactly to the reality (except general landscapes, some tunnels, etc...)
- KVB has nothing to see with speed but with train security ; a wireless beacon on the track send signals to the on board computer & check if those signals are set in the system properly by driver and/or engine -very simple description-. On the contrary TVM is giving speed limits on high speed tracks.

Regarding the speed restrictions, I don't exactly know this particular location but I can confirm (and this is easily proovable just by playing) that KVB only operates while you approach Marseille coming from Avignon or Aix en Provence & that sped limits are in this specific case not shown by KVB (which only as explained to you above show "---" ie. a speed restriction of 160 km/h) nore by signs on the side of the track.

I do own the route since 1st day and have played all scenarios and free roam tracks and can say for sure that I never see the KVB display anything else than "---"

I'm not here to tell wether DTG has made a good job or not. Just explaining what I learned, I read in the route manuals. This is also where you see that this game is a simulation & does not allways reflects the reality.

[TMarc]

Origineel geplaatst door KajFlo:

There are no answers to my question.

- Memorize the speed changes (F3 HUD)
and
- Look at the manual ( i did that already)

are no valid answers to my question. Do you even habve the route ?
No one could answer it, thats why i guess no one knows the answer.

Most likely the signaling is also not realistic and buggy, typical DTG...

If you know it, why do you even complain?

Of course those were enough good and valid answers to your question, but you seem not to want to read or to understand them, you even reject replies from professional drivers? This is very silly.
At least this is the impression you're giving here.

The KVB shows a warning if you are too fast. And of course, if you're driving much to fast (arriving from LGV part), you cannot brake in time to prevent emergency braking.

The HUD speed limits display is knowingly not always reliable, especially where the track designers did not take the care to use the corresponding possibilities.

This is why you (we all) have to learn the tracks, in order to be able to drive on them properly, without penalty.

If DTG or the track designers had given a track handbook with all speed limits, it would be much better. But perhaps also too easy.

Some stuff in TS requires lot of training, and at least a minumum understanding.
If you don't want to spend that time, then don't complain some things are not working, at least not like you're doing it here.

Don't forget, it is a simulation, not just a simple game where everything works automatically or as you would like to have it.

[KajFlo]

@ microsan94

Thats not true, the KVB shows more then just --- ---
It also shows a single orange 0

@ TMarc
Of coure i reject replies from professional drivers if those are just "learn the track" (use the F3 HUD).
I asked a specific question about KVB and the signaling (speed changes) that still no one could answer.

Although that could be a explanation that the HUD speeds are incorrect.
The speed limits displayed by the HUD are just wrong.
Lets see if KVB gives me a emergancy break when following the actually displayed speeds.

[Chicken Balti]

Origineel geplaatst door KajFlo:

@ microsan94

Thats not true, the KVB shows more then just --- ---
It also shows a single orange 0

@ TMarc
Of coure i reject replies from professional drivers if those are just "learn the track" (use the F3 HUD).
I asked a specific question about KVB and the signaling that still no one could answer.

That could be a explanation that the HUD speeds are incorrect.
The speed limits displayed by the HUD are just wrong.
Lets see if KVB gives me a emergancy break when following the actually displayed speeds.

KajFlo, you certainly confirm what I said in my last post, you reject real pro drivers like myself because they don't reflect your incorrect preconcieved thoughts to your own questions, you are impossible to help, as most are finding out in these forums.

[TMarc]

In this video packers525 does not use KVB, he wrote it is buggy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KkN1vP0i1U
But it was also done before the recent update.

[KajFlo]

Origineel geplaatst door Chicken Balti:

Origineel geplaatst door KajFlo:

@ microsan94

Thats not true, the KVB shows more then just --- ---
It also shows a single orange 0

@ TMarc
Of coure i reject replies from professional drivers if those are just "learn the track" (use the F3 HUD).
I asked a specific question about KVB and the signaling that still no one could answer.

That could be a explanation that the HUD speeds are incorrect.
The speed limits displayed by the HUD are just wrong.
Lets see if KVB gives me a emergancy break when following the actually displayed speeds.

KajFlo, you certainly confirm what I said in my last post, you reject real pro drivers like myself because they don't reflect your incorrect preconcieved thoughts to your own questions, you are impossible to help, as most are finding out in these forums.

Dude you never helped me in this thread and you did not answer a single question asked.
All you did was to tell me that "speed indications are not always present on the ground sometimes".
Yeah but i doubt DTG models this and as you said you know nothing about the french signaling and you dont know the real route. So all you did was posting anecdote from your own experience driving trains in the UK, got that but it does not answer the question and is irrelevant in the context.

[KajFlo]

Origineel geplaatst door TMarc:

In this video packers525 does not use KVB, he wrote it is buggy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KkN1vP0i1U
But it was also done before the recent update.

Most likely its still buggy...the famous DTG "quality control".

[TMarc]

I don't know why you are attacking Chicken Balti now, he only tried to help, and he usually has very good advises.
And his answers in this topic were certainly not irrelevant, perhaps more generic regarding TS behaviour in general, so what?

But yes,it's a pity that users have to do quality tests after release, but this is modern development method, at least for PC software...