1 MPH Over Speed Limit = Emergency Brake Application?

[KodiakJac]

Ok, I've just started the first scenario of the New York - New Haven route add-on, and when I went over the speed limit by 1 MPH the emergency brakes automatically came on, bringing me to a complete stop.

Is that realistic? Is there an automatic system on the Amtrak trains that sets the emergency brakes bringing the trains to a full stop when the train engineer exceeds the speed limit by 1 MPH?

If not, why did the scenario designer do this?

Are the Workshop scenarios this weird, or are they more realistic?

Train Simulator is a beautiful sim, but so far from what I've seen, it plays like a game not a sim.

[KodiakJac]

Now I'm on the same run, and I'm doing 48 mph in a 100 mph zone, and I'm shut down twice for drive quality...lol I'm going to have to start making YouTube videos of this nonsense. Maybe someone can explain what I'm doing wrong, as I can't proceed with the scenario. The train will now not move.

[Highball Simulation]

Opprinnelig skrevet av KodiakJac:

Ok, I've just started the first scenario of the New York - New Haven route add-on, and when I went over the speed limit by 1 MPH the emergency brakes automatically came on, bringing me to a complete stop.

Is that realistic? Is there an automatic system on the Amtrak trains that sets the emergency brakes bringing the trains to a full stop when the train engineer exceeds the speed limit by 1 MPH?

If not, why did the scenario designer do this?

Are the Workshop scenarios this weird, or are they more realistic?

Train Simulator is a beautiful sim, but so far from what I've seen, it plays like a game not a sim.

There's a speed display in the cab that tells you your maximum permitted speed. That could have been what has been tripping the ATC.

[Spikee1975]

Opprinnelig skrevet av KodiakJac:

Ok, I've just started the first scenario of the New York - New Haven route add-on, and when I went over the speed limit by 1 MPH the emergency brakes automatically came on, bringing me to a complete stop.

Is that realistic? Is there an automatic system on the Amtrak trains that sets the emergency brakes bringing the trains to a full stop when the train engineer exceeds the speed limit by 1 MPH?

If not, why did the scenario designer do this?

Are the Workshop scenarios this weird, or are they more realistic?

Train Simulator is a beautiful sim, but so far from what I've seen, it plays like a game not a sim.

This is the correct simulation of the ATC/ACSES. Have you checked the manual before playing?

Calling it unrealistic is a bit... funny, just because you don't like the way it works.

As a side note: In pretty much every railroad company speeding is NOT tolerated AT ALL.

[KodiakJac]

"In the event a train's crew exceeds a speed restriction a penalty brake application is applied bringing the train to a complete stop in the same fashion as existing automatic train control (ATC) systems."

Wow! I did not know that because I'm stupid!

And I just now found the manual! Thank you for that. But if you can't take your eyes off the speedometer while you bump the throttle and breaks to stay 1 mph below the speed limit to make it to your passenger pickup points on time, how can you also see the cab signaling display for changes in aspect?

[KodiakJac]

Ok, I just found the answer to my problems. CTRL-D

I've been trying to run in mostly the exterior chase view to enjoy the train models and the scenery, not inside the cab. CTRL-D shuts down the Alerter, ATC, and penalty brake applications, etc.

[Glenn]

AHHhh the joy of computer chips and A.I. control etc. Bring back the 'good old days' when drivers were DRIVERS and not computer operators. In those days, 1 or 2 mph over the limit, although it rarely happened, was not a problem; soon noticed then quickly bought back under control. These days, a driver can get a warning if 10 seconds late stepping into the cab at start of the shift, cos the computer tells his managers. 1mph over the limit and boy are you going to get a kick up the butt, cos the computers stop the train and tell your managers what a naughty boy you are. We know where it will end - like the DLR - no such thing as a train driver.

[D'Harhan]

How long were you running 1 MPH over speed?

[Phil Mabole]

to be fair...if you can't drive your train without breaking speed limits or without your passengers throwing their cups of coffee all over each other at every bend then you are probably driving your train incorrectly.

[Glenn]

Opprinnelig skrevet av D'Harhan:

How long were you running 1 MPH over speed?

Dont remember it was nearly 40 years ago.

[Glenn]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Phil Mabole:

to be fair...if you can't drive your train without breaking speed limits or without your passengers throwing their cups of coffee all over each other at every bend then you are probably driving your train incorrectly.

Sort of true, but if (as in the old days) you are pushing it to the limits to try and make up lost time, it's easier than you might think to just slip over the top by a fraction (gradients, winds, overall train weight, track conditions etc. And those bends that you mention have their max line speed set to match comfort levels, so unless the driver is being stupidly, suicidaly reckless then spilling cups of coffee all over each other is a rediculously exaggerated claim!

[x1Heavy]

I know all about killing time against truck loads that are late and regulations be damned and hellfire disposed of.

Today's trucks have a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of network and computer based onboard enforcement devices now. Its almost impossible to make any money. Unless the company survived long enough to pay you a annual salary of 200,000 for your trouble.

Ive cheated in the career scenarios, one of my screenshots from a couple days ago shows me lopping off almost 4 minutes late.... And thats not my fault. I spent 50 miles upgrade at 0.8 to 0.9 below penalty speed limits enduring constant speed limiting at 20 or 25 even. There is no making time in a ♥♥♥♥ schedule built by a developer who should know better.

Another penalized me very badly on arrival. I could not give a damn. I'll run it again when I feel better.

There is a old old old saying in my work. It goes like this whenever a Bossman, Suit or muck a muck manager, DOT etc stands on my steel toed harness boots and demands a explaining like a little boy hauled in front of the principle.

I say this.

The company failures combined with that which are failed regulations in Government combined with ♥♥♥♥♥♥ engineering in our esteemed American Factories creates a situation where I am not responsible. Therefore I cannot bother to have your load at a customer on places, appointment times and so forth without people asking ME when it can get there legally.

One incident I left Avenel NJ with FFE Blood Plasma back to FFE LA California 10 minutes late. Against a 3100 mile ground travel distance between our two ternimals give or take 30 miles. We were a husband wife team.

Most people cannot get to the doctors appt on time across their own village. And here we are doing it to the minute, on the dot. Finished on time around the entire ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ north American continent excepting Alaska and Prince Rupert in any terrain, any weather and any issues. Its there.

And they dare complain about 10 fing minutes late in a new jersey highway that has 44 miles worth of Red Lights on US1 south?

That problem got solved. First breaking the 35 mph speed limit all the way down at 44 mph minimum and then skipping a fuel stop in Memphis. We fueled at Holbrook AZ with 4 gallons left in our 345 gallon tanks and 20 in the reefer tank after 2100 miles.

That produced a arrival time to FFE LA California 24 minutes early DESPITE A CASTERATED 63 mph truck. And they say we are late? F them. The Blood Plasma was part of the problem. The blood of 30,000 individuals donations go bad after about 60 hours. You need 54 of that to transport it.

If its so precious, they should lease a 747 with crew and fly the damn thing air cargo in 6 hours one way.

OR as a crew boss herding 30 temps in the auction house I say this when a vehicle wont start.

"The failure of the Staff and Customers to maintain these vehicles are not my emergency. I am just a temp and its not my lower paygrade to devote time or stress trying to fix other people's neglects."

ooo do they get mad. Sure I can get it started, anything can be started. Just Pay me properly to actually give a damn enough to fix it in the little time left.

And people wonder why the productive fruitful bounty of youthful labors turn into a twisted sour old apple tree in my old age.

[KodiakJac]

I'm learning very quickly that I don't like passenger routes in Train Simulator. I don't have these same problems with the freight routes at all. Sure, timeliness seems to matter on freight routes, too. But so far they haven't been a desperate struggle against the clock like the passenger routes I've run. I now know where I will be spending my money on DLC, and it won't be on passenger routes! ;o)

[DIFFLOCK66]

x1Heavy - love your stories. I feel like you're a kindred spirit in a world gone mad.If we ever meet in a bar, then the first beer's on me sir!