Has anyone created a Croydon Tramlink route for TS?

[Growler]

Header says it all really. Does anyone know whether Croydon Tramlink has been created for Railworks - either historically or perhaps currently being developed as a known Work In Progress project.

I've recently been having fun playing around with various tram assets I've found on UKTS - including a couple of small tramway routes plus a limited range of related rolling stock. There's a nice version of the CR4000 tram itself (created by Richard Scott) - but I'm not sure whether anyone has ever done the Croydon route to run it on. Unless someone knows better?

I had wondered whether the Tramlink would be included in one of Danny's fine Workshop versions of the various combined West/North/South London Lines. But as far as I'm aware I don't think this has been possible. But perhaps a version of the tramlink is planned by somebody - if not I'm tempted to have a going building it myself, but obviously don't want to go there if someone's busy creating it already.

If anyone knows anything about this route existing (or not) for TS, then I'd be very grateful for any information about such content. Many thanks.

[skitz59]

not has far has i know the tram which you have mentioned and the platforms used (which is on ukts also) is the only thing i have found

[Ronwirral]

Sorry Al all I can find is the following Link for an MSTS project, perhaps the Author of the video could shed a bit more info here is the link. Best Ron.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=+Croydon+Tramlink++for+Train+simulator&view=detail&mid=91C72AC4BDC6640428F091C72AC4BDC6640428F0&FORM=VIRE

[IC125]

Hi Al,

I have searched many times for a tramlink route before as I too would love to see them in TS. Unfortunately I have not found anything resembling a route which is a shame, although I do remember one forum which mentioned a route in the works. If I can find it I will let you know. Below I have compiled the tram assets that I know of on UKTS (including the links to ones you mention in the OP):

CR4000 tram: http://www.uktrainsim.com/filelib-info.php?form_fileid=27013
Tramlink stop: http://www.uktrainsim.com/filelib-info.php?form_fileid=27014
Tram tracks: http://www.uktrainsim.com/filelib-info.php?form_fileid=21191
Tram poles: http://www.uktrainsim.com/filelib-info.php?form_fileid=20755

There is also the tram route that as you mention, which requires the above files. Unfortunately many of the requirements have been taken down from UKTS and are not available, rendering the route broken: http://www.uktrainsim.com/filelib-info.php?form_fileid=22766

With the above assets, and general TS tools, I myself have attempted a tramway, and more recently a modern tramway. My catenary skills and track laying are not the best so I had to give up, however it is doable. I really must try and find that discussion I mentioned, it is bugging me.

I hope this helps.

[Growler]

A most helpful reply from Danny, in answer to the same question of mine posted on another forum:

"Part's of it are in South London & Thameslink (very small part at Beckenham Junction towards Birkbeck), and of course a smaller bit in Chatham Main Line (pretty much the same track as South London & Thameslink - it was built off that :) ), although not so sure South London & Thameslink would cope so well with the tramlink in there too it would already have a lot of scenery around there. (I've pretty much given up on the North/West/South two routes - too unstable)"

It's very handy to know precisely what's covered in these London WS routes.

[Growler]

Originally posted by IC125:

Hi Al,

..........There is also the tram route that as you mention, which requires the above files. Unfortunately many of the requirements have been taken down from UKTS and are not available, rendering the route broken: http://www.uktrainsim.com/filelib-info.php?form_fileid=22766

With the above assets, and general TS tools, I myself have attempted a tramway, and more recently a modern tramway. My catenary skills and track laying are not the best so I had to give up, however it is doable. I really must try and find that discussion I mentioned, it is bugging me.

I hope this helps.

Thanks IC125 for the links. The 'broken' route was interesting to see, as you said shame the required assets seem to be no more.

Good on you for having a crack at creating a tramway yourself. Nice to hear you think building a track doable with the given assets. I'm sure I'd be fine with the track itself, but like you I fear I could get in real trouble with the catenary! ;) Still guess I should have a little play with the assets we do have, and see what I then reckon. All the best

[Growler]

Originally posted by ronwirral:

Sorry Al all I can find is the following Link for an MSTS project, perhaps the Author of the video could shed a bit more info here is the link. Best Ron.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=+Croydon+Tramlink++for+Train+simulator&view=detail&mid=91C72AC4BDC6640428F091C72AC4BDC6640428F0&FORM=VIRE

Thanks for the link Ron - interesting viewing. I must confess I don't know a whole lot about the legacy MSTS. But I suppose it's possilbe that some of the scenery assets for such a route might theoretically be usable within Railworks. So I'll have a little explore of MSTS assets on the various freeware forums, and see what comes up for the tramlink. Cheers, Al.

[IC125]

Well, I found this: http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic.php?f=259&t=142458&p=1755773#p1755773
No obvious activity since 2015ish unfortunately.

[Growler]

Originally posted by IC125:

Well, I found this: http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic.php?f=259&t=142458&p=1755773#p1755773
No obvious activity since 2015ish unfortunately.

An interesting link. I might PM the individual to see how (if) their project progressed. Although looks like they may no longer be an active forum member.

I saw this article (link below) on a wider route that a player called alexk1998 - their mention of the tramlink within their route sounded quite promising. But again no update since, and that's a couple of years ago now.

https://train-simulator.com/london-waterloo-woking-update/

Do you know whether it's possible to PM another account user on the Dovetail site? I'd try and send a message to this individual but can't find a way of doing this.

[IC125]

Originally posted by Growler:

Do you know whether it's possible to PM another account user on the Dovetail site? I'd try and send a message to this individual but can't find a way of doing this.

I don't think so, comments on articles seem to be the only ''contact''.

[Ronwirral]

Originally posted by IC125:

Originally posted by Growler:

Do you know whether it's possible to PM another account user on the Dovetail site? I'd try and send a message to this individual but can't find a way of doing this.

I don't think so, comments on articles seem to be the only ''contact''.

I think the only way to PM individuals is to firstly request to be a friend to that individual and if the individual agree's, you should be able to PM each other as much as you both wish. Hope this helps.

[Growler]

Originally posted by ronwirral:

Originally posted by IC125:

I don't think so, comments on articles seem to be the only ''contact''.

I think the only way to PM individuals is to firstly request to be a friend to that individual and if the individual agree's, you should be able to PM each other as much as you both wish. Hope this helps.

Except I can't work out how to do that. Unless I'm missing something obvious, there seems to be no way to search for users (to find them) & if found send a message. Perhaps I'm just plain blind (& being daft!) but that's one of the reasons I soon gave up on the new Dovetail account. Best, Al.

[IC125]

Hi Al,

Not sure if this is how it works but you can search for users with this link: https://forums.dovetailgames.com/members/
However I tried to find the individual but no results were found. The user who posted about the trams may not be on the DTG forums which rather limits our chances of contacting them. Unless anyone knows otherwise I doubt they have been around since that post was made.

Good luck with any further research, if there's any more I can do to help then I will be happy to do so.

[Growler]

Originally posted by IC125:

Hi Al,

Not sure if this is how it works but you can search for users with this link: https://forums.dovetailgames.com/members/
However I tried to find the individual but no results were found. The user who posted about the trams may not be on the DTG forums which rather limits our chances of contacting them. Unless anyone knows otherwise I doubt they have been around since that post was made.

Good luck with any further research, if there's any more I can do to help then I will be happy to do so.

Thanks for checking that out, even if a bit of a dead end. As one last stab I'll perhaps try DTG_James to see if he had any contact details for the author of the article - he must have gone through Jay to get the article published on their website.

I'm going to have a bit of a play around with various assets. I like what Danny has done with the start of his South London & Thameslink workshop route. It's a nice tidy start to part of the tramlink. And the assets used seem good ones, as well as the rest of the general area being incredibly well done. So that might perhaps form a very good platform, for starting a full-on tramlink route. I'll have more of a play with assets, and give it some more thought - and then we'll see.

[Growler]

Really Odd! Since my mentioning the above London Waterloo to Woking route article on the Dovetail (train-simulator) site just a few days ago - well it seems the link has been 'killed off'!!

https://train-simulator.com/london-waterloo-woking-update/

Similarly the related 'Southern Lines' (WIP) route article which I was reading (again just a few days ago) has also seems to have been taken down.

https://train-simulator.com/the-southern-lines-work-in-progress-route

This appears like a deliberate removal of these two articles both mentioning development work on WIP routes incorporating the Croydon Tramlink. Why would that happen?

Perhaps Jay (DTG_James) if you're reading this you could contact me (via Steam chat) and explain. Thank you.

[Axe]

If your link was from this page Al, you will find many of them go to nowhere. I noticed this was the case when the link to the upcoming pendolino was posted.

They maybe just working on this page and such? Just an idea.