Is it Really THAT Disappointing?

[Ravagexe]

I usually make a research before jumping into conclusions from hell-a-lot sources...And...even your everyday casual gamer who think Slender is a badass game or something, actually thinks that Amnesia 2 was a total disappointment along with everyone else. There are just so few actually good reviews out there (Which %90 are consisted of nothing but blind-fandom rage whose already accepted the fact that it will be scary just because it has Amnesia brand no matter what...) and most of them are beating the everloving cra* out of Amnesia 2, everyone's favourite excuse seems to be "Amnesia was better because Im a clueless hipster, I will always love original work because they make me feel like an original individual in my boring and pathetic life!" these days...

So yes, I dont give a damn about Amnesia 1 at this point...Is Amnesia 2 that awful as a stand-alone game? What about horror and gore factors? I want to buy this but everything seems...so disappointing.

[Ineffable Anathema]

Sasquatch_Punter eredeti hozzászólása:

Have a setting that seems a bit cliche? Just add steampunk. ;)

Right! A few gears and cogs can fix ANYTHING! :)

[Ineffable Anathema]

Blaze the Grand Bullshitter eredeti hozzászólása:

I liked it, but they really are charging too much for this. It's not scary and one of the most linear games I've played, but the plot makes up for it. Still doesn't make it worth $20.

Actually I find it quite scary, but not in the same way as TDD. TDD is scary in a raw, hair-raising supernatural-terror-gonna-getcha kind of way. This is scary in a holy-crap-this-is-disturbing-and-makes-me-think-about-things-I'd-rather-not-be kind of way.

[Tricks]

slowpoke64 eredeti hozzászólása:

Well it sucks as a game, because they stripped all gameplay.
And it sucks as a story because there isn't a single memorable character in it, no character development and the plot roughly equals to "Dude, Where's My Car?", but with kids.
Love y'all, see you later.

It sucks as a game... because they stripped the gameplay. Yes, because it was surely the gameplay that made TDD so popular. You know, all that torch lighting is why I played the whole way through it myself. In my opinion they should have just called it Amnesia: The Torch Lighting Simulator, because man that is what the game was REALLY about. And yes I am comparing the games here, because you used the word "stripped" as if AMFP is not it's own game but a stripped version of TDD. Your own wording there.

As for a bad story because no memorable characters? Personally I thought the Machine was an excellent character, I loved that bit. Insane machines make me all giddy! Especially since this one wasn't even an AI-sentience but something far more ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up and crazy.

And you saying the plot equals "Dude, Where's My Car?" is... well... I don't mean to sound snobby but you obviously didn't get what was going on. It went over your head. Admittedly I'm not surprised it went over a lot of people's heads because they did use some fairly poetic language that they could have done without, but it does have a nice flow to it. But yeah, they never just came out and explained a lot of things, they left you to figure it out for yourself.

Also, to those commenting on the environment being not any more original than TDD... I do admit I enjoy industrial horror more than classical for the setting, so I am a bit biased. I find factories and pipes and the feeling of desolation of an empty boiler room more disturbing than a classical haunted mansion. As for Mandus' manor, I wouldn't say it was supposed to feel like a haunted mansion. There were no ghosts lurking around and it wasn't dark and grimy and filled with cobwebs. But it was disturbing knowing that it was basically like a cage made for "animals" to be observed, taken, and disposed of.

[riverfr0zen]

I feel it is a game best played when the mind itself (not your environment or whatever) is very dark. You won't be able to kid yourself and say "Oh ahaha ha ha, look at the cool way I can switch on lights". Instead you wake up, and find that you have been placed in a room that looks like it is from the 1800s or something, and you begin to worry that whoever has placed you there also read all your personal files, and knows how to toy with your imagination.

[Scythe]

Machine for Pigs is very dissapointing for being a sequel to Amnesia, and it feels more like a Halloween themed sequel to Dear Esther. If you like to walk straight and read hundreds of notes, you will enjoy to walk through this.. game. If you obviously expected a sequel to Amnesia, avoid this piece of ♥♥♥♥.

[Shadowspaz]

Ambercattღ eredeti hozzászólása:

Machine for Pigs is very dissapointing for being a sequel to Amnesia, and it feels more like a Halloween themed sequel to Dear Esther. If you like to walk straight and read hundreds of notes, you will enjoy to walk through this.. game. If you obviously expected a sequel to Amnesia, avoid this piece of ♥♥♥♥.

That's still comparing it to other games, extensively. Judge the game on its own merits.

[Scythe]

Eh, I compare the prequel to the sequel (Amnesia: The Dark Descent to Machine for Pigs), and the sequel is more similar to Dear Esther.

[Shadowspaz]

It's similar to Dear Esther cause it was made by the same people. That only speaks of the style, though- Not the content. I take it you didn't like Dear Esther much, did you?

[Scythe]

No, not at all.

[Shadowspaz]

Well there ya go. And, I know, it's titled 'Amnesia,' it should be closer to Amnesia. I personally wasn't too disappointed, becuase I hadn't played TDD in a long time, and I enjoyed DE. But while it IS understandable, it's pretty brutal to talk so much crap about a game just because of the name.

[Scythe]

With sequels you're expected to receive more of the same, and with more things added to the series. But what The Chinese Room did was to remove everything that made up Amnesia, and released whatever was left - Nothing. The game is so empty besides notes. Just another Dear Esther. It was huge ♥♥♥♥ move by The Chinese Room, and I'm dissapointed at Frictional Games that they let them do this.

It's fair and understandable that people are upset. Machine for Pigs really is a crap Amnesia title.

[Ineffable Anathema]

Shadowspaz eredeti hozzászólása:

Well there ya go. And, I know, it's titled 'Amnesia,' it should be closer to Amnesia.

Games evolve and change mechanics. Look at the Resident Evil series sometime and tell me changing the gameplay of an IP is a bad idea. ;)

[Shadowspaz]

Ambercattღ eredeti hozzászólása:

With sequels you're expected to receive more of the same, and with more things added to the series. But what The Chinese Room did was to remove everything that made up Amnesia, and released whatever was left - Nothing. The game is so empty besides notes. Just another Dear Esther. It was huge ♥♥♥♥ move by The Chinese Room, and I'm dissapointed at Frictional Games that they let them do this.

It's fair and understandable that people are upset. Machine for Pigs really is a crap Amnesia title.

This didn't address my point at all, though. Would you have been just as disappointed if it wasn't named "Amnesia?" I'm willing to bet you wouldn't have bought it, because you were looking for the sequel to TDD. The point is that the name is the only thing ruining the game's reputation. I have yet to see you say something negative about the game that doesn't stem from either personal distaste in TCR's style, or from expectations based on the name.

And Shodan, if you read just a liiiittle bit past where you cut off the quote, you'll see I was merely sympathizing with disgruntled players- Not sharing their views.

Also, just something I noticed: "You're expected to" means that someone is expecting something of you. In this context, that doesn't make sense, so you should say "You expect to receive [...]" But that's impressing your views on other people with over-generalization. So all you have left to say is "*I* expect," which breaks down the whole point when you admit it only applies to you. I'm not trying to nitpick everything you say, but I'm very tired, kinda delirious, have a good deal of work I still wanna get done, and this realization struck me as far more amusing than it probably is.

[Scythe]

If it wasn't part of the Amnesia franchise, I obviously wouldn't have expected it to be an Amnesia game, so I wouldn't be dissapointed that it wasn't a good sequel to Amnesia. But that's not the case.

But I agree. If Machine for Pigs wasn't a part of the Amnesia franchise, that have a huge fanbase because of the original Amnesia game, everything would be fine, :3 No one would have expectations.

[Shadowspaz]

........ I have never seen someone just suddenly agree like that. That was... impressively open-minded? I don't even know. xD

That being said, I am still curious what you'd say about the game as a stand-alone, and not as an Amnesia "sequel."