Should i just play on hard?, is it get better? (Nightmare mode)

[Armando Broncas]

I recently started a campaign on Dying light: EE, and i started on nightmare since i always like to play in the hardest difficulty, so yeah, thing is im kind of tired of it already... common zombies take too much to die and my weapons dont last me enough, probably i spend 1 weapon per zombie no kidding, the other day i had to put myself on the top of a car and kick like 20 or 30 zombies to death for like an hour just to complete a sidequest, that felt like a chore and to be honest when you need to start cheesing the game like that, it is just a bad sign.

Now i also fought some humans and to be honest they can do things you cant... like blocking, i cant for the life of me find a key to parry attacks like they do, seriously, thats cheap, period, if im a human too why i cant do the same, maybe i just havent found the key to do it?, so far the game hasnt been at all helpful when it comes to controls...

Also i have mixed opinions on the stamina usage when using a weapon, on one had it does encounters hard but on the other hand the enemies DONT USE STAMINA, and thats a big ♥♥♥♥ing problem, same with the blocking, just feels cheap, considering im 1 versus hordes of zombies or gruops of humans it is cheap that they can use their attacks non stop and i have to wait to recover myself, not only is cheap is silly, so if you wanted to be "realistic" well you dropped the ball with the enemies then.

I also have been doing research on this matter and it seems melee builds are not viable in the long run in this mode and everything is dominated by ranged weapons, not even fire weapons but bows and crosbows... that... dosent make ANY sense seriously.

So if all of the above its true then this has to be one of the worst and annoying hardest difficulties in a game and i will just switch to hard to spare myself the annoyance, i remember when i was playing DA:I on Nightmare... that mode made me HATE that game, every battle was a spam of ♥♥♥♥ for 15 minutes because enemies had so much ♥♥♥♥ing health... i just cant stand another one of those.

[TrefanSVK]

I started getting weapons that can kill zombies in 2-3 hits in the head around survival level 13. Until then I mostly had to use terrain to my advantage - oil and chemical spills, spikes, height, electric traps. So I would say it gets better. I didn't fought Rais's guys face to face so far, I always just lure a ♥♥♥♥-ton of zombies on them or scare them of with pistol.

[KoalafiedKiller]

I prefer hard just because nightmare is so tedious. I dropped down to hard around survival level 4 because it was just boring. Fighting should be fun in an action game and nightmare made fighting not fun

[-|Ғқﻛ|- Domukaru]

There's no actual advantage to playing Hard & Nightmare. It's got a higher chance for Gold weapons, but don't forget that Hard has less item rates and Nightmare has even less item rates.

I did Nightmare end game, which was a bad idea because when you get put in that arena VS a single Demolisher, it's like he has infinite health with only 23-39 damage weapons at your disposal.

It's all about difficulty. Also, this game was never about clearing hordes of zombies single handedly. So if you're doing that in a harder difficulty, you're not playing the game efficiently. It's all about stealth, parkour and environmental advantage. Use all of those to your advantage. It's the only way you'll succeed in Nightmare.

[RailStorm]

I've played the game on hard and its a pretty good balance, the zombies take a while at first but become easier. The main advantage for nightmare are the points you get for the legend levels which is more end game. Honestly even with high end weapons the zombies take a while to kill on nightmare that I usually just avoid them. I might try nightmare from the start at some point but it is quite tedious.

[Armando Broncas]

Originally posted by Domukaru:

There's no actual advantage to playing Hard & Nightmare. It's got a higher chance for Gold weapons, but don't forget that Hard has less item rates and Nightmare has even less item rates.

I did Nightmare end game, which was a bad idea because when you get put in that arena VS a single Demolisher, it's like he has infinite health with only 23-39 damage weapons at your disposal.

It's all about difficulty. Also, this game was never about clearing hordes of zombies single handedly. So if you're doing that in a harder difficulty, you're not playing the game efficiently. It's all about stealth, parkour and environmental advantage. Use all of those to your advantage. It's the only way you'll succeed in Nightmare.

What do you mean by "less rare items" i didnt read that.

[Armando Broncas]

Originally posted by RailStorm:

I've played the game on hard and its a pretty good balance, the zombies take a while at first but become easier. The main advantage for nightmare are the points you get for the legend levels which is more end game. Honestly even with high end weapons the zombies take a while to kill on nightmare that I usually just avoid them. I might try nightmare from the start at some point but it is quite tedious.

So legendary levels are only available on Nightmare mode?

[TrefanSVK]

Originally posted by Fenrir:

What do you mean by "less rare items" i didnt read that.

Hard and very hard locked containers spawn rarer items less.

Originally posted by Fenrir:

So legendary levels are only available on Nightmare mode?

No, but you gain all points much faster on Nightmare mode.

[Alexoferith]

I have finished the game in nightmare mode. I have to say that I know the game would be a long campaign so I stopped doing main storyline quests. Enabled all safehouses first before day will change into night. You don't need to fight lowly zombies. Loot and Loot and Loot. By this time, at 8% into storyline, day should start to change into night. No need to do any quest. You need to collect the three free relief packs and by doing this, you should plan a route so you can level up your agility as much as possible. Now, even at low level, you can kill volatiles to farm XP at night. Just go to the single hut round the corner before the fishing village. Just stand on the edge of the platform and kills the volatiles into the water. But you need to stock up resistant potions, and stamina potion. And to be safe, arm yourself with some explosive stars. And if your health dropped below 50%, just jump into the water and wait a little till it is safe to get back up. In other words, level up yourself so that you can make potions and explosive stars before progressing to the stage where day will change into night. You don't need any guns. I was max out by 15% into storyline, except the Legend skill. It took me 8 weeks by doing couple hours a day during weekday and about 6 hours Saturday and Sundays to max out legend skill trees. But once I was max out, the game lost its fun. Everything was so much easier though you still need to plan a little before each fight. Look out for high point all the time just to deal with virals. I don't use gun unless the game require you to. I just use the bow for distant silent kill. And oh yes, the key to the 15% was because I had to progress the storyline so that I could get the cloak potion from the witch. Hope this help. There really is no point playing hard mode. Stick with nightmare. I have just started a new campaign in The Following from scratch, no inventory, no money and no skill. I am not sure what I am getting into. I am going around the map without looking for the buggie. I have no range weapon so this will be interesting. My survival level stuck at 3 as there is no relief packs to collect and no quest. And there is no sleep, i.e. no storage is available. This could be very interesting indeed.

[Frag Maniac]

From what you're describing OP, your main problems are...

1. You STARTED on Nightmare, vs playing on Normal or Hard first, then using New Game + to play on Nightmare. Common sense dictates if you had trouble with other games on Nightmare as you described, you're going to just as much if not more in this one. Starting out fresh on Nightmare with NO skill or weapon accumulation is only for those very adept at playing it.

2. You need to build out weapon mods. A simple police Baton, with a mod available early in the game, can one hit kill a zombie with a charged power strike to the head, on Nightmare.

3. You need to get resourceful if you want to use combat early on. This involves things like striking then tossing a gas canister, using firecrackers to distract or lure toward explosive items or flammable puddles, and grapple tossing enemies into fire or spikes. If grappling enemies is too hard, just toss Molotovs, like most do.

4. You also need to look around to see the many objects that can be used without taking the time or resources tapping into your inventory. Like gas tanks lying near puddles of gas that can be struck to create a fire to grapple enemies into. I finished off the toughest enemy in the game on my Hard mode run, just by striking a wall mounted fire extinguisher and running behind the wall it was mounted on. He was running at me and it exploded in his face, taking him from 50% health to dead.

5. Anytime you make a lot of noise via gun shots or explosions, you need to first plan what you'll do when virals come. On Nightmare, it's best to unlock that stomp skill as soon as you can. Otherwise you'll have to slash, shoot, or kick them at spikes or from high buildings, to kill them.

6. I've also found it's best when in the open where there's no high buildings, to get on top of small vans, vs larger structures like buses, because it keeps the space virals can climb up smaller, and quicker for you to kick them down.

Let's not let this thread imply Nightmare, or even Hard mode, is pointless to play though. Both are very manageable on New Game + once you have lots of skills and weapons, and I'm seeing more and more ways to even deal with those modes from a fresh start. It takes a few times playing through the game to gain such insight though.

[Armando Broncas]

Originally posted by Frag Maniac:

From what you're describing OP, your main problems are...

1. You STARTED on Nightmare, vs playing on Normal or Hard first, then using New Game + to play on Nightmare. Common sense dictates if you had trouble with other games on Nightmare as you described, you're going to just as much if not more in this one. Starting out fresh on Nightmare with NO skill or weapon accumulation is only for those very adept at playing it.

2. You need to build out weapon mods. A simple police Baton, with a mod available early in the game, can one hit kill a zombie with a charged power strike to the head, on Nightmare.

3. You need to get resourceful if you want to use combat early on. This involves things like striking then tossing a gas canister, using firecrackers to distract or lure toward explosive items or flammable puddles, and grapple tossing enemies into fire or spikes. If grappling enemies is too hard, just toss Molotovs, like most do.

4. You also need to look around to see the many objects that can be used without taking the time or resources tapping into your inventory. Like gas tanks lying near puddles of gas that can be struck to create a fire to grapple enemies into. I finished off the toughest enemy in the game on my Hard mode run, just by striking a wall mounted fire extinguisher and running behind the wall it was mounted on. He was running at me and it exploded in his face, taking him from 50% health to dead.

5. Anytime you make a lot of noise via gun shots or explosions, you need to first plan what you'll do when virals come. On Nightmare, it's best to unlock that stomp skill as soon as you can. Otherwise you'll have to slash, shoot, or kick them at spikes or from high buildings, to kill them.

6. I've also found it's best when in the open where there's no high buildings, to get on top of small vans, vs larger structures like buses, because it keeps the space virals can climb up smaller, and quicker for you to kick them down.

Let's not let this thread imply Nightmare, or even Hard mode, is pointless to play though. Both are very manageable on New Game + once you have lots of skills and weapons, and I'm seeing more and more ways to even deal with those modes from a fresh start. It takes a few times playing through the game to gain such insight though.

You are assuming a LOT just because i said DA:I Nightmare mode was BORING not that it was "difficult" or i that i had "trouble", if you read what i said correctly i said i play most of my games on the hardest difficulty.

Dragons Dogma for example has a Nightmare mode too that you are supposed to play only as a new game+ but i rarely or almost never do a newgame+ on any game so i just go straight for the hardest difficulty, i had some problems at the begininning in Dragons Dogma on Nightmare but i did it no problems, and at no point i felt the enemies were bullent sponges, in this game i am feeling the same thing i felt when playing DA:I a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ chore, enemies that just dont die, enemies that attack non stop even though you have an stamina mechanic they dont WHAT????, they block and you cant... but the worse offender is the stupid health pools it is just retarded.

[Frag Maniac]

Originally posted by Fenrir:

You are assuming a LOT just because i said DA:I Nightmare mode was BORING not that it was "difficult" or i that i had "trouble", if you read what i said correctly i said i play most of my games on the hardest difficulty.

This...

...when i was playing DA:I on Nightmare... that mode made me HATE that game, every battle was a spam of ♥♥♥♥ for 15 minutes because enemies had so much ♥♥♥♥ing health... i just cant stand another one of those...

...hardly sounds like you were merely "bored". Any time enemies seem to have too much health, you're either not using the right tactics, or don't have good enough weapons or skills unlocked. It's well known at the start of this game, especially on Nightmare, you need to either get resourceful, or evade until you build skills, weapons, and resources. You don't do that by being impatient and not listening to what we're saying.

Dragons Dogma for example has a Nightmare mode too that you are supposed to play only as a new game+ but i rarely or almost never do a newgame+ on any game so i just go straight for the hardest difficulty...

And look at the result, how's that working for you? Like I said, you're too impatient to learn how to play these games, so instead, you blame them for being designed poorly.

I'm 58, and I don't exactly have the eyesight and reflexes of a teen anymore, yet the ONLY problems I've had on my Nightmare New Game + runs after beating the main game and being now halfway through The Following, is dying a few times and losing a lot of points, and it was ALWAYS something I did out of impatience. I recognize that though, that's the difference. You'll never improve your gameplay if you don't recognize what YOU could have done better, instead of blaming the game.

i had some problems at the begininning in Dragons Dogma on Nightmare but i did it no problems, and at no point i felt the enemies were bullent sponges, in this game i am feeling the same thing i felt when playing DA:I a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ chore, enemies that just dont die, enemies that attack non stop even though you have an stamina mechanic they dont WHAT????, they block and you cant... but the worse offender is the stupid health pools it is just retarded.

Then either don't play these kind of games, or find out how to play them better. You don't do that by ignoring sound advice, and continuing to act like it's not your fault.

The smart ones, for instance when told to just toss Molotovs at humans, instead of acting like they can right off the bat beat them in a sword fight, with hardly any skills unlocked, say "Thank you, that works well". You, you want to make an argument out of it, as if that's helping you.

There are TONS of games where combat is very difficult, if not futile, at the beginning of the game. Anyone who's ever played Skyrim for instance, knows full well it's pretty much suicide to try to battle a guard with a sword if you're caught stealing early in the game.

The lesson is, it does no good to brag about how many games you've played and beaten by playing the hardest mode off the bat, if you only choose to whine about ones that take real patience, observation, and strategy, because clearly those are your weak points.

[Armando Broncas]

Originally posted by Frag Maniac:

Originally posted by Fenrir:

You are assuming a LOT just because i said DA:I Nightmare mode was BORING not that it was "difficult" or i that i had "trouble", if you read what i said correctly i said i play most of my games on the hardest difficulty.

This...

...when i was playing DA:I on Nightmare... that mode made me HATE that game, every battle was a spam of ♥♥♥♥ for 15 minutes because enemies had so much ♥♥♥♥ing health... i just cant stand another one of those...

...hardly sounds like you were merely "bored". Any time enemies seem to have too much health, you're either not using the right tactics, or don't have good enough weapons or skills unlocked. It's well known at the start of this game, especially on Nightmare, you need to either get resourceful, or evade until you build skills, weapons, and resources. You don't do that by being impatient and not listening to what we're saying.

Dragons Dogma for example has a Nightmare mode too that you are supposed to play only as a new game+ but i rarely or almost never do a newgame+ on any game so i just go straight for the hardest difficulty...

And look at the result, how's that working for you? Like I said, you're too impatient to learn how to play these games, so instead, you blame them for being designed poorly.

I'm 58, and I don't exactly have the eyesight and reflexes of a teen anymore, yet the ONLY problems I've had on my Nightmare New Game + runs after beating the main game and being now halfway through The Following, is dying a few times and losing a lot of points, and it was ALWAYS something I did out of impatience. I recognize that though, that's the difference. You'll never improve your gameplay if you don't recognize what YOU could have done better, instead of blaming the game.

i had some problems at the begininning in Dragons Dogma on Nightmare but i did it no problems, and at no point i felt the enemies were bullent sponges, in this game i am feeling the same thing i felt when playing DA:I a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ chore, enemies that just dont die, enemies that attack non stop even though you have an stamina mechanic they dont WHAT????, they block and you cant... but the worse offender is the stupid health pools it is just retarded.

Then either don't play these kind of games, or find out how to play them better. You don't do that by ignoring sound advice, and continuing to act like it's not your fault.

The smart ones, for instance when told to just toss Molotovs at humans, instead of acting like they can right off the bat beat them in a sword fight, with hardly any skills unlocked, say "Thank you, that works well". You, you want to make an argument out of it, as if that's helping you.

There are TONS of games where combat is very difficult, if not futile, at the beginning of the game. Anyone who's ever played Skyrim for instance, knows full well it's pretty much suicide to try to battle a guard with a sword if you're caught stealing early in the game.

The lesson is, it does no good to brag about how many games you've played and beaten by playing the hardest mode off the bat, if you only choose to whine about ones that take real patience, observation, and strategy, because clearly those are your weak points.

Im done with you, dont even dare to post again and if you do im gonna ignore you, you keep being disrespectful to me by keep being passive aggressive implying that i suck at videogames, yeah, well then go ♥♥♥♥ yourself ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Keep twisting my words and using them out of context to fit your ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ agenda, "OMG you just insulted me!!!", yeah, thats what happens when you are being disrespectful to someone, and there are MANY ways to be a disrespectful ♥♥♥♥ not only swearing is a way to be disrespectful, but what you are doing with my words is another form of being an asshat, but you are 58 you should already know that right, RIGHT???.

And news to you:

Videogames DO have problems, issues and imbalances and this game has them too.

DEAL WITH IT.

[Frag Maniac]

Originally posted by Fenrir:

Im done with you, dont even dare to post again and if you do im gonna ignore you, you keep being disrespectful to me by keep being passive aggressive implying that i suck at videogames, yeah, well then go ♥♥♥♥ yourself ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Keep twisting my words and using them out of context to fit your ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ agenda, "OMG you just insulted me!!!", yeah, thats what happens when you are being disrespectful to someone, and there are MANY ways to be a disrespectful ♥♥♥♥ not only swearing is a way to be disrespectful, but what you are doing with my words is another form of being an asshat, but you are 58 you should already know that right, RIGHT???.

And news to you:

Videogames DO have problems, issues and imbalances and this game has them too.

DEAL WITH IT.

It's clear your main problem is you're over emotional, and impatient. It's not a matter of sucking, and I never implied you did, or couldn't beat the game. If it's SO much of a chore to play all you can do is complain, when most are having no trouble on Nightmare, then you just haven't learned the proper methods yet.

It's also very disingenuous to quote everything I say, when you ignore all the advice, and choose to see it as insult. No one here is using insulting words and tones but you. That's not going to make the game any easier to play. If that's your answer, I suggest you stop playing it before it gives you an aneurysm.

You're the one that needs to "deal with it", or just stop playing it. This is a Dying Light forum, not the Crisis Clinic. There's really only a handful of people whom claim this game is broken regarding difficulty in general, or health points of enemies, and all have the same thing in common. They blame the game instead of seeing better ways to play it.

Sorry, I'm not here to hand you a tissue to wipe your nose, I offer helpful advice, not placebos. If you want to take a dump on it and accuse me for that, that's your right, but by doing so, you'll just keep having the same problems. And don't ever imply I can't post a response, you really need to chill out.

[DapperApple21]

really? I found that nightmare difficulty made enemies have a lot of hp, but overall I found that it was too easy.

[BlueAuran]

yeah, yet there are talking nightmare+ basically...and if you screw up and attract a hoard at the wrong time...well same as some of the tougher areas in the game can give you some serious issues. I was having lots of fun just playing on normal and story mode for my first completion. Then some chinese player came into my game when I clicked on a wrong button by accident. They were super high level, must of been playing the game for ages. They drooped me a fully moded unique weapon and a bunch of loot. Just made it a cake-walk at that point. So I decided to at least finish the last part of the game without using that weapon as it would just one hit everything. Saved my butt in PvP though, using that AND cheese tactics I just made my adversary quit when at first they were wiping the floor with me :) THIS game is a pure classic in so many ways, the things that CAN happen in it are wild!