Heads up…. Raise Spectre builds are a PITA to maintain

[Fraktal]

PoE2 is fixing this, but wow something needs done here.

-Find good corpse for a Spectre (forged frostbearers)
-Raise them as specters
-They die or you accidentally moved your gem/gear despawning them
-Cast desecrate
-Look for corpse…repeat this step many times until you find one
-Found one! Summon Spectre. Oops even tho your cursor didn’t move the wrong one was summoned.
-Repeat the last three steps for 15 minutes trying to get all three back to forged frost bearers
………..

I’m going to respec into animate guardian or SRS. This is dreadful. Thankfully mine rarely die, usually when I don’t keep them in aura range.

[Morkonan]

Just a tip: Once you get your Spectres, go back to your Hideout. Your Hideout "remembers" the Spectres that have been there, just like any map/zone has a native spawn-table of what spawns there for you to draw upon using Desecrate. (This is how people "give" each other spectres they didn't have.)

If you lose a Spectre, go back to your Hideout, Desecrate until you see the one you want, done. :)

PS: I don't know any of the changes with Spectre builds this League, but they should not be regularly dying. You need to fine-tune support for them if possible. Though, it is possible some changes hit that make it more likely for them to die - That happens too and i'm not running a Spectre build, yet, this League.

[The_Driver]

Did you select the corpse with corpse highlighting or just eyeballed the corpse? The hitboxes of some of the corpses are ... a mathematical wonder ... so I'd always highlight the corpse (default hotkey 'a').

[† Dead Anarchist †]

Yes, they broke the desecreate system in this league. To many corp's saved and noone forgot. You can spend long time for find right one spectre corpse now and its absolute imposible to rise right one spectre die'd on map.

[Fraktal]

Originally posted by Morkonan:

Just a tip: Once you get your Spectres, go back to your Hideout. Your Hideout "remembers" the Spectres that have been there, just like any map/zone has a native spawn-table of what spawns there for you to draw upon using Desecrate. (This is how people "give" each other spectres they didn't have.)

If you lose a Spectre, go back to your Hideout, Desecrate until you see the one you want, done. :)

PS: I don't know any of the changes with Spectre builds this League, but they should not be regularly dying. You need to fine-tune support for them if possible. Though, it is possible some changes hit that make it more likely for them to die - That happens too and i'm not running a Spectre build, yet, this League.

The desecrating is the issue. Corpses spawn on top of one another, and I see a frostbearer every 10 casts despite being my only used summon.

[Morkonan]

Originally posted by Fraktal:

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The desecrating is the issue. Corpses spawn on top of one another, and I see a frostbearer every 10 casts despite being my only used summon.

Hmmm..

Is this in your Hideout? Is that the "broken" part that "Dead Anarchist" was talking about?

If Desecration isn't "broken" in your Hideout, it's possible to "scrub" it so it only shows those you want. Though, it could be a bit of a PITA if you mess it up... :)

So, if you've raised other spectres and finally got access to the one's you really want, you just keep raising and killing off your spectres by taking out the Summon gem/unequipping it. Eventually, they will push out the other spectres in the summoning que for Descecrate in your hideout.

That's how it worked last league. But, again, I haven't done any spectre builds this League and didn't really look much into spectre/minion-relevant changes. But, if it's is truly broken at the moment... you have my sympathies. :(

[Lordbufu]

Originally posted by Fraktal:

The desecrating is the issue. Corpses spawn on top of one another, and I see a frostbearer every 10 casts despite being my only used summon.

I felt the same way about spectre's when i started, until i learned about he corpse select hotkey, havent raised the wrong corpse ever since. Default hotkey is 'A' as mentioned above, and can be mapped to other keys.

But generally speaking, if you loose spectre's during mapping, its either a you or build issue that needs solving.
Unless there is something league specific i have yet to encounter, as mine are very healthly boys, even without a aura they will survive for quite sometime (also convocation helps heal your minions, if you fear they might die).

[Fraktal]

Originally posted by Morkonan:

Originally posted by Fraktal:

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The desecrating is the issue. Corpses spawn on top of one another, and I see a frostbearer every 10 casts despite being my only used summon.

Hmmm..

Is this in your Hideout? Is that the "broken" part that "Dead Anarchist" was talking about?

If Desecration isn't "broken" in your Hideout, it's possible to "scrub" it so it only shows those you want. Though, it could be a bit of a PITA if you mess it up... :)

So, if you've raised other spectres and finally got access to the one's you really want, you just keep raising and killing off your spectres by taking out the Summon gem/unequipping it. Eventually, they will push out the other spectres in the summoning que for Descecrate in your hideout.

That's how it worked last league. But, again, I haven't done any spectre builds this League and didn't really look much into spectre/minion-relevant changes. But, if it's is truly broken at the moment... you have my sympathies. :(

Was in my hideout. I’ll have to try and reset my desecrate pool.

[Fraktal]

Originally posted by Lordbufu:

Originally posted by Fraktal:

The desecrating is the issue. Corpses spawn on top of one another, and I see a frostbearer every 10 casts despite being my only used summon.

I felt the same way about spectre's when i started, until i learned about he corpse select hotkey, havent raised the wrong corpse ever since. Default hotkey is 'A' as mentioned above, and can be mapped to other keys.

But generally speaking, if you loose spectre's during mapping, its either a you or build issue that needs solving.
Unless there is something league specific i have yet to encounter, as mine are very healthly boys, even without a aura they will survive for quite sometime (also convocation helps heal your minions, if you fear they might die).

The only time they died in combat was when I didn’t have my ele res aura on.

The others were over dumb crap like losing STR requirements for my 6L chest. So spectres go poof.

This usually happens when swapping rings/gear or crafting.

[Lordbufu]

Originally posted by Fraktal:

The only time they died in combat was when I didn’t have my ele res aura on.

Yeah that happens, but usually only once or twice, since they dont turn of anymore like they used to. I dont think gem quality is going to help negate that either, especially in higher end or juiced maps.

Originally posted by Fraktal:

The others were over dumb crap like losing STR requirements for my 6L chest. So spectres go poof.

This is indeed very crapy if it happens, but also not just spectres that goes for all persistent summons, as they all go poof when that happens and they all need to be re-summoned.

Loosing your zombies, and having to resummon 9 of those, is about as pita imho. Not to mention, that you likely have to re-summon your golems, and redo your aura's as well.

TLDR: I feel like there are many things equally as pita, if not more pita, then redoing your spectre's for those very reasons imho.

[Illumina]

Heads up! Every summoner has known this for 10 years.

[crushedbug]

Do not swap gear in maps. If you swap and lose your spectres inside your hideout they will fall on the floor dead instead of despawning, no need for desecrate.
You can also swap in towns. If you unequip and equip the summon spectre gems inside a town, once you go to a map the minions will be already summoned like nothing happened. This applies to all permanent minions.

[Fraktal]

Originally posted by crushedbug:

Do not swap gear in maps. If you swap and lose your spectres inside your hideout they will fall on the floor dead instead of despawning, no need for desecrate.
You can also swap in towns. If you unequip and equip the summon spectre gems inside a town, once you go to a map the minions will be already summoned like nothing happened. This applies to all permanent minions.

This is good to know. I’ve been afraid to craft on my chest piece lol

[Fraktal]

Originally posted by Illumina:

Heads up! Every summoner has known this for 10 years.

This is my first minion build in this game. But thanks for your valuable input.

[Fraktal]

Originally posted by Lordbufu:

Originally posted by Fraktal:

The only time they died in combat was when I didn’t have my ele res aura on.

Yeah that happens, but usually only once or twice, since they dont turn of anymore like they used to. I dont think gem quality is going to help negate that either, especially in higher end or juiced maps.

Originally posted by Fraktal:

The others were over dumb crap like losing STR requirements for my 6L chest. So spectres go poof.

This is indeed very crapy if it happens, but also not just spectres that goes for all persistent summons, as they all go poof when that happens and they all need to be re-summoned.

Loosing your zombies, and having to resummon 9 of those, is about as pita imho. Not to mention, that you likely have to re-summon your golems, and redo your aura's as well.

TLDR: I feel like there are many things equally as pita, if not more pita, then redoing your spectre's for those very reasons imho.

Golems don’t need a corpse, and I can use desecrate to get my zombies back in 5 seconds.

[Lordbufu]

Originally posted by Fraktal:

Golems don’t need a corpse, and I can use desecrate to get my zombies back in 5 seconds.

For the low-budget zoomancer, its about 8-9s for the zombies, and 4-5 for spectres incl desecrates in both cases (considering a cleanish pool obviously).

But from the sounds of it, you're simply struggeling with the lack of flexibilty in the field, and are used to swapping gear out on the fly. I hope what was said here, helps negate that frustration somwhat, minion builds can be very fun.