Holy Crap Act 5 Innocence, Act 10 Kitava

[Tenbux]

The fight with Innocence in Act 5 seems more like a difficulty cliff than a spike. I've steamrolled everything up to this. Never even dropped to low life against Izaro, Maligaro, Daresso, Kaom, Malachai, or anyone. I'm running an electric witch. Arc, stormburst, tendrils, conductance, storm herald, stormcall, I've used each (not all at the same time, obviously) on previous bosses to good effect. Hell, stormburst curb-stomped the templar that becomes Innocence. This ain't my first rodeo; I've taken an elec witch to level 89 in a previous league.

I understand what to do when he goes Touhou bullet hell on me; use the statues for cover. I flamedash out of the way when he starts winding up for the quick, single shot beam. My run speed is high enough to stay ahead of his Piety style sweeping beam. I get clear from his area ground explosion just fine. The problem? I have to devote so much time to all these evasive maneauvers that I can't maintain pressure on him. Keeping his shield down requires me to stand still to attack, which exposes me to all the above.
Orb of Storms is ineffective because Innocence constantly moves.
I can't activate Bone Offering for a damage boost because the minions he occasionally spawns dont leave corpses. They also dont seem to count toward souls for Vaal gems.
He loves to go touhou on me, and I cant shoot through my cover. He seems to get most or all of his shield back while I'm hiding.
Stormburst is bad here because I cant move while channeling and dodging around keeps the shots from reaching him.
With all his AOE, lightning tendrils is suicide most of the time.

Making progress against his health requires me to fight recklessly. I'll inevitably catch a face full of beam or eat two or three touhou bullets, with the latter being a guaranteed death. I can take two of those bullets due to having instant heal on low life flasks, or tank an accidental beam hit with the same.

When am I supposed to be attacking this guy? Half the time he's off-screen because I need plenty of retreat time when bullet hell starts.

Edit: And now I've just noticed that Innocence regenerates his health. He's got a TON of health, rapidly regenerating energy shield, multiple instant kill hits, AND gets to regen health? That's just openly antagonistic toward the player.

[Phobos]

He's actually quite easy once you follow his patterns, avoid and attack. Of course these are pointless if you have bad HP, Reset and DPS or synergies that does not work together...

After him you still have to do a false god or something and that fight is one up from this one. So if you suffer here you will have a hard time with that and lets not forget kitava at end. LOL.

[Olaf 'Don' Scholz]

Yeah, took me also like 7 tries to kill him finally. Also rockin Arc Witch.

Edit; "Killed" Kitava first try tho.

[Phobos]

Originally posted by Iron Maiden:

Yeah, took me also like 7 tries to kill him finally. Also rockin Arc Witch.

Edit; "Killed" Kitava first try tho.

And the battle on the rooftop with half-kitava after Innocence; how was that for you?

[Olaf 'Don' Scholz]

Originally posted by Prophet:

Originally posted by Iron Maiden:

Yeah, took me also like 7 tries to kill him finally. Also rockin Arc Witch.

Edit; "Killed" Kitava first try tho.

And the battle on the rooftop with half-kitava after Innocence; how was that for you?

Talking about the big looking demon guy? Sorry pretty new to this game, but yes I killed him first try. I dont know why I had such trouble with Innocence, he killed me over and over.

[Phobos]

Originally posted by Iron Maiden:

Originally posted by Prophet:

And the battle on the rooftop with half-kitava after Innocence; how was that for you?

Talking about the big looking demon guy? Sorry pretty new to this game, but yes I killed him first try. I dont know why I had such trouble with Innocence, he killed me over and over.

Well Innocense does have some "unfair" attacks, but following the pattern and avoiding them as best as possible; sometimes you will get hit, you should be ok. I suppose at least there is only 1x of innocense at any given time in the room... haha

[Grumpy]

quite a deja vu http://steamcommunity.com/app/238960/discussions/0/1470841715953156163/

Originally posted by Tenbux:

I'm running an electric witch.
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I can't activate Bone Offering for a damage boost ...

Lightning witch necromancer? o.Ô

Just out of couriosity, why necro?

Originally posted by Tenbux:

Edit: And now I've just noticed that Innocence regenerates his health. He's got a TON of health, rapidly regenerating energy shield, multiple instant kill hits, AND gets to regen health? That's just openly antagonistic toward the player.

Also here out of couriosity, but what are your Life and resis values?

Originally posted by Iron Maiden:

Yeah, took me also like 7 tries to kill him finally. Also rockin Arc Witch.

Edit; "Killed" Kitava first try tho.

How's that possible? You first kill high templar avarius in the chamber of inno, after that kitava appears, after backtracking you kill kitava, after that you get helped by the black dude and arrive act 6. in act 10 similar. How to kill the endboss before killing mandatory mid boss of the act?

also arc is imo quite shît as boss killer

[Olaf 'Don' Scholz]

What do you mean with how´s that possible? I had a freakin struggle against Inno but did not die against final boss of act5. For single target I use Ball Lightning

[Grumpy]

Originally posted by Iron Maiden:

What do you mean with how´s that possible? I had a freakin struggle against Inno but did not die against final boss of act5. For single target I use Ball Lightning

ah sry misread. i read you killed him first >.>

[Phobos]

Originally posted by Grumpy:

Originally posted by Iron Maiden:

What do you mean with how´s that possible? I had a freakin struggle against Inno but did not die against final boss of act5. For single target I use Ball Lightning

ah sry misread. i read you killed him first >.>

You will be remembered...

[them4pples]

get a decoy totem. during the beam, he'll focus it and you can attack freely.

[Tenbux]

Originally posted by Grumpy:

quite a deja vu http://steamcommunity.com/app/238960/discussions/0/1470841715953156163/


Lightning witch necromancer? o.Ô

Just out of couriosity, why necro?

Also here out of couriosity, but what are your Life and resis values?

also arc is imo quite shît as boss killer

Instead of a stereotypical arc crit focus witch, I'm trying something odd. Elemental Overload (+40% damage for 8 secs after a critical, no crit damage multiplier), Arcane Surge gem triggered by Orb of Storms (unsure on name, stationary lightning ball) for extra damage and mana regen, Controlled Destruction (no criticals and extra damage) on Arc, Conductance gem linked to blaspheme to make it a constant aura.
Necromancer used with bone offering to get extra block against melee and spells, with a (small) heal whenever I block. I believe the next ascendancy will add extra damage to it as well (gonna have to doublecheck that, working off memory..)

Hits like a rocket powered truck when all the boosts are on. Also been taking more life/em related nodes than I did on my old Arc Crit Witch.
I was 48 when I was trying Innocence, had life/es that totaled to about ~3.1k. Had 64-69% elemental resistance across the board.

Finally killed the bastard at L50. Took a while and I was internally shouting JUST DIE ALREADY. My favorite moment of the successful run: Innocence animating the statue I was using for cover during bullet hell. Four times.
Wound up running ball lightning with increased projectiles, lightning penetration, added lightning damage, and spell echo. Pretty much going spray and pray while dodging around and coaxing my damage boosts to kick in.

Innocence seems to me like he would be a nightmare for a melee char. Is he?

[Olaf 'Don' Scholz]

You playing "Whaitiri's Arc Witch" ?

[5M0k1N]

yea i almost ripped my 2 hardcore chars this league to him. all other bosses did nothing. they were both melee

[Jaume]

Its very easy to kill with the dualflame marauder

[Yerrrr]

Alot of players don't know that you can use those stone warriors (when they are turned back to stone) he animates as a wall to dodge his beam and spark nova.