Just a worse Diablo right?

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Now this isn't necessarily meant in a insultive way but what exactly does this game offer that Diablo 3 does not? Ive been a massive diablo fan ever since I was a little kid, finished all of them multiple times and put hundreds of hours into every single one.

What does a free Diablo like game offer that Diablo does not?

[Bakuretsa]

Guy this is 1000x better , take it from a diablo veteran . Played D 1-3 all on release. Not to bash dibbles . The story is better there overall . But the mechanics behind builds in path is pretty much limited by your own intellect . Yes there are meta builds like any other game but there really are tons of other ways to play here over diablo . Also the leagues here actually add to the game unlike diablo . Some more than others obviously . But overall they actually put more effort into the game than the D3 team for example .

[DaTank]

Piety being recycled

Diablo being recycled

But Diablo has a better storyline because the dude can beat the game.

First fight with Piety she flees, second fight she dies. She then gets resurrected by Malachai as a slave, and on your way to defeat Malachai you encounter her, and once defeated she aids you in defeating Malachai.

But let's ignore the STORY behind what happened. She was recycled!

[WillB]

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Origineel geplaatst door SkullerR:

Dude, I played PoE abd Diablo (3).

Diablo story is as cheap as PoE story. but thats ok, this is not the game selling point anyway.

I don't like Diablo's cosmetics, class system, leveling tree, farming, gameplay-loop.
For me, PoE is way more interesting, feels more agile, requires more skill to deal with random outcomes.

I can replay PoE multiple times, but I cannot do the same with Diablo.

1. no it's not. Diablo objectively has a better story, and there are ways to measure this. Piety being recycled four times is a great example of terrible writing. GGG needing to repeat entire sections of their campaign to stretch out content is another.

2.the rest of it is a "you" problem, or a personal preference.

How many times were Diablo, Tyrael, and Deckard Cain used, again? Heck, they even recycled entire plotlines like with Diablo in a soul stone possessing one of his opponents (Aidan at the end of D1, Leah during D3)

[MagnusGrey]

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Origineel geplaatst door MagnusGrey:

Please share with me the tools you use to "objectively measure" how good a story is. I will take notes.

Thankfully Diablo has no characters that appear multiple times throughout its story. (Oh wait, the entire franchise is named for a character that keeps coming back over and over.)

Plot of all Diablo games = "Oh no, its Diablo"

If you genuinely don't understand there are objective elements to story telling, instead of simply acting obtuse, here's a reference on aspects of storytelling like plot you can investigate.

https://screencraft.org/2017/10/18/aristotles-six-golden-rules-of-screenwriting/


People who claim there aren't objective elements to art fundamentally don't understand what makes art art.

Anyways. Enjoy!

Wow. That was a poorly written and vague blog that has a pretty loose grasp of story structure.

More importantly, it was just a list of elements and principals that in no way resembles a method of comparing the quality of one story to another.

I don't think either story is amazing, but the Diablo story is pretty bare bones and minimal word count (although some of the cinematics and voice acting are way better).

Poe has a much, much longer story, and a deeper lore. That being said, listening to the story through the click on npc interface thing is terrible and the reason why i only listen to small parts each league.

TL:DR You stated a lot of opinions like they were facts, but had no way to back that up.

[Dutch]

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How many times were Diablo, Tyrael, and Deckard Cain used, again? Heck, they even recycled entire plotlines like with Diablo in a soul stone possessing one of his opponents (Aidan at the end of D1, Leah during D3)

To be fair to Diablo, both angels and demons had a reason from the beginning for returning unless imprisoned in a soul stone (hence the eternal conflict). Deckard Cain didn't die until 3 so there's no reason he wouldn't still be around. Aidan retardedly jabbed Diablo's soulstone in his forehead instead of locking it away. Leah is literally the daughter of diablo - concieved by Aidan with Adria. He was able to manifest in her from her screwing around with his soulstone & being around it. I'm certainly not defending Blizzard but none of these characters were "recycled". They all had a reason for being there and their purposes flowed from one entry to the next.

[LordOfTheBread]

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Origineel geplaatst door WillB:

How many times were Diablo, Tyrael, and Deckard Cain used, again? Heck, they even recycled entire plotlines like with Diablo in a soul stone possessing one of his opponents (Aidan at the end of D1, Leah during D3)

To be fair to Diablo, both angels and demons had a reason from the beginning for returning unless imprisoned in a soul stone (hence the eternal conflict). Deckard Cain didn't die until 3 so there's no reason he wouldn't still be around. Aidan retardedly jabbed Diablo's soulstone in his forehead instead of locking it away. Leah is literally the daughter of diablo - concieved by Aidan with Adria. He was able to manifest in her from her screwing around with his soulstone & being around it. I'm certainly not defending Blizzard but none of these characters were "recycled". They all had a reason for being there and their purposes flowed from one entry to the next.

One thing we can all agree on is that we don't really play ARPGs for their engrossing stories. I personally loved Diablo 2 overall atmosphere and the cutscenes where something to behold but I did not play for 100s of hours because of them.

Diablo 3 was also pretty bad as far as story goes, killing Deckard Cain was also a mistake imho.

Back on topic tho, if this was a worse Diablo it wold not be considered by most as a superior product.

[WillB]

Origineel geplaatst door Dutch:

Origineel geplaatst door WillB:

How many times were Diablo, Tyrael, and Deckard Cain used, again? Heck, they even recycled entire plotlines like with Diablo in a soul stone possessing one of his opponents (Aidan at the end of D1, Leah during D3)

To be fair to Diablo, both angels and demons had a reason from the beginning for returning unless imprisoned in a soul stone (hence the eternal conflict). Deckard Cain didn't die until 3 so there's no reason he wouldn't still be around. Aidan retardedly jabbed Diablo's soulstone in his forehead instead of locking it away. Leah is literally the daughter of diablo - concieved by Aidan with Adria. He was able to manifest in her from her screwing around with his soulstone & being around it. I'm certainly not defending Blizzard but none of these characters were "recycled". They all had a reason for being there and their purposes flowed from one entry to the next.

Sure, just as there's reason for Piety's repeated appearances as pointed out earlier. I'm not attacking Diablo, I enjoy them both. Just pointing out that the "objective" ways to "measure" the stories aren't really objective.

[BelChris666]

You all ever write a paper in school? Writing rubrics can be used to objectively judge the quality of writing. Here is a basic example https://www.ramapo.edu/fa/files/2013/04/Writing-Rubric-3.pdf

A grader uses the description written in the rubric to assign a point value to each category. They then add up the points for the final score.

Anyone claiming that there is no way to objective way to grade writing should check it out.

[BelChris666]

Why not address his point instead of insulting him? Truth is you rarely have any point other than to flame.

Rebel your post was weak and did not address quality or the concept of objectivity at any point. It addressed some aspects of writing but is mostly just subjective platter about why the article's author's favorite movie has a good plot. Did you even read it?

However if you truly want to learn how to objectively grade writing you should google rubrics. Writing honestly can't be objectively be graded unless it is written to goals. You need to compare the writing to how well it meets those goals to assign a value to it. If you want to try to define the goals, gather a sample group, and then collect data go ahead. I am just some dude who likes killing stuff and helping new players. I don't have time for that.

[MagnusGrey]

My opinions about things are always subjective. I don't think you know what objective means.

Also, I think your joke detector is broken. That was meant to point out that you were the one being inconsistent for criticizing one game for a repeat character while giving the other a pass.

[binxmuldoon123]

I can't stand Diablo 3. I enjoyed this game immensely, I liked Diablo 2. Path of exile is what Diablo 3 should have been, an upgraded version of Diablo 2. I can't really tell you exactly what makes POE better than D3 for me it is just far more enjoyable than D3.

[Mike Litoris]

Ez answer : You' re Wrong !