Will poe 2 be more average gamer friendly? or 400 hours gamer friendly?

[Boyka92]

This its insane, from optimization to game play,game its beyond complicated and hard to complete end game, everything time consuming and expensive,i still cant gear up to have 6000hp on marauder character with full life nodes

[LordOfTheBread]

Początkowo opublikowane przez PhilipJayFry:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Kensei:

Complexity is what makes PoE PoE. If they simplyfy it, they will risk losing playerbase, so I doubt that.

All this complexity is hidden behind pulling slot machine 8h a day, you can't try things or access most of the content if you have full time job

Salty over a game because it has too much content rofl. As for RNG, this is an ARPG we're talking about, it took me several years to drop a Windfforce in Diablo 2, that is the nature of the beast.

Play COD, it looks way more suited toward your expectations.

[DaTank]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez Kensei:

Complexity is what makes PoE PoE. If they simplyfy it, they will risk losing playerbase, so I doubt that.

All this complexity is hidden behind pulling slot machine 8h a day, you can't try things or access most of the content if you have full time job

I have a full time job, 40-45 hours min a week. I have cleared all the content while working.

Am I a wizard?

[dOBER]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez Altaria:

you just have to play meta builds then, and forget about building or playing what you want.
Like if you were to play cleave or dual strike me, you will have hard time, then playing VD.

Yes, and copy-pasting the build is actually takes complexity away from the game, I could do much more if the game was more friendly to casuals

Are you d...? This is casual friendly if you can use complete builds which tell you exsact how to because you have no time to build your own? What do you want? A game where ever skill works with every random item to beat every content? No this would take away every complexity.

Początkowo opublikowane przez PhilipJayFry:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Kensei:

Complexity is what makes PoE PoE. If they simplyfy it, they will risk losing playerbase, so I doubt that.

All this complexity is hidden behind pulling slot machine 8h a day, you can't try things or access most of the content if you have full time job

This again is pure bs. I work avg 200-220h every month, have 2 Kids (most time we were outside swimming) and i go 5 times a week in gym but somehow i got 3 lvl 93+ and 1 lvl 88 chars and did every conent. You dont need 8h a day, you need to know how to play and how to get currency to buy/craft whatever you want.

[reevo]

I said times and times again, It's not how much time you can spend, it's how you actually spend it. Yes, this game is far from being new players friendly. I'd even say that you actually NEED prior info about everything to get started. Youtube and forum. Read, watch, read again, watch again, rinse, repeat. Until you have an ok idea of how sh*t is done.
The vast majority of PoE players are actually "veterans". People who have played other leagues before. There is such a small percentile of new people every league and even a lesser percentile of new people who are invested, dedicated and are willing to learn.
Every league that's being added to the core it's another layer for new players to learn about. It's getting harder and harder to start playing. It's a vicious cycle but it works.

And on topic, no. PoE 2 is not going to be different. On the contrary it will yet again add new layers to the existing ones. The sooner you start playing, the better. In a couple years from now i don't think PoE will get new players anymore.

[Altaria]

The problem isnt about time efficiency but, if you can actually play the builds you want to play to clear all contents or not.

Anybody can just copy and paste meta builds and clear all contents and most full time job people use meta builds and play builds they dont want to play so they can actually finish all contents, without too much time investment.

The question here is, if you want to play skills you like or not. And often times most skills in the game are garbage, whats the point of having so much skill gems if not many skills are viable in end game?

PoE sings about build diversity, but at end of the day its a scam, because most skills arent viable in end game.

[LordOfTheBread]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Altaria:

The problem isnt about time efficiency but, if you can actually play the builds you want to play to clear all contents or not.

Anybody can just copy and paste meta builds and clear all contents and most full time job people use meta builds and play builds they dont want to play so they can actually finish all contents, without too much time investment.

The question here is, if you want to play skills you like or not. And often times most skills in the game are garbage, whats the point of having so much skill gems if not many skills are viable in end game?

PoE sings about build diversity, but at end of the day its a scam, because most skills arent viable in end game.

What a pile of BS, this all about game knowledge and there are plenty of non meta builds that allow you to play the whole content.

Actually, save a few very bad skills, most skills when geared and made properly are totally viable and build diversity is a real thing, you're just spewing fake info.

Don't blame your lazyness on the game back, of course it is easier to just copy / paste a Mathil build but that does not mean other builds are trash. I played some really weird builds like Reave recenty and they are still doing the job and it is as non-meta as it gets.

[DaTank]

Początkowo opublikowane przez LordOfTheDread:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Altaria:

The problem isnt about time efficiency but, if you can actually play the builds you want to play to clear all contents or not.

Anybody can just copy and paste meta builds and clear all contents and most full time job people use meta builds and play builds they dont want to play so they can actually finish all contents, without too much time investment.

The question here is, if you want to play skills you like or not. And often times most skills in the game are garbage, whats the point of having so much skill gems if not many skills are viable in end game?

PoE sings about build diversity, but at end of the day its a scam, because most skills arent viable in end game.

What a pile of BS, this all about game knowledge and there are plenty of non meta builds that allow you to play the whole content.

Actually, save a few very bad skills, most skills when geared and made properly are totally viable and build diversity is a real thing, you're just spewing fake info.

Don't blame your lazyness on the game back, of course it is easier to just copy / paste a Mathil build but that does not mean other builds are trash. I played some really weird builds like Reave recenty and they are still doing the job and it is as non-meta as it gets.

It’s the same doom and gloom every post with this person. Everyone who wants to do anything has to do everything they don’t want to do just to get somewhere pretty much every single post.

[OldWhovian]

Well items will have free 6 links so yeah it'll reduce grind and be more accessible. Which is good. Now the main grind will be for "7-link" aka +1 level to X gems w/ a 6 link (I have no idea why it's called 7-link when it's a misnomer)

[LordOfTheBread]

Początkowo opublikowane przez OldWhovian:

Well items will have free 6 links so yeah it'll reduce grind and be more accessible. Which is good. Now the main grind will be for "7-link" aka +1 level to X gems w/ a 6 link (I have no idea why it's called 7-link when it's a misnomer)

A 7 link is an item that is able to have 6 links and offer a free skill for gems attached to it not a +1 anything. +gems items allow you to go past the limit of lvl 21 of any gem attached that is totally different.

The Bringer of Rain is considered a 6L (or even 7 if you count the blind which use is pretty non existent) eventho it can only have 4 sockets for example.

[Altaria]

it will be friendly in terms of you dont need to pay 15 chaos for corrupted crap 6l or pay 2 exalts for decent 6links. You just have to get chest with good mods now.

there are items with 9 links like shaper+elder influenced helmet.

[Yakez]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Altaria:

it will be friendly in terms of you dont need to pay 15 chaos for corrupted crap 6l or pay 2 exalts for decent 6links. You just have to get chest with good mods now.

there are items with 9 links like shaper+elder influenced helmet.

You can play plenty of builds that can do majority of content (including A8 Sirius) with like 0 6-links and 1ex investment. Literally. Skeleton builds, Arakaali's Fang, Soulwrest to name a few in summoner department.

And 6-links are at the lowest price ever in PoE history. Vaal 6-links are INSANE by standards of several years ago. Just play builds that do not require to pour dozens of exalts to function. It is fun for veteran playerbase: making something non-viable viable through investments.

Here is Soulwrest guide with 0 6-links that able clear everything that you need from the league:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUVhE78jESo

[Altaria]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Yakez:

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it will be friendly in terms of you dont need to pay 15 chaos for corrupted crap 6l or pay 2 exalts for decent 6links. You just have to get chest with good mods now.

there are items with 9 links like shaper+elder influenced helmet.

You can play plenty of builds that can do majority of content (including A8 Sirius) with like 0 6-links and 1ex investment. Literally. Skeleton builds, Arakaali's Fang, Soulwrest to name a few in summoner department.

And 6-links are at the lowest price ever in PoE history. Vaal 6-links are INSANE by standards of several years ago. Just play builds that do not require to pour dozens of exalts to function. It is fun for veteran playerbase: making something non-viable viable through investments.

Here is Soulwrest guide with 0 6-links that able clear everything that you need from the league:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUVhE78jESo

I know I am just saying people dont have to buy 6 links anymore. I didnt speak about viability or anything other than just getting 6 links will be for everyone instead of dancing around in tabula or bad 6l and farming up 2-5 ex for the end game chests.

So more accessibility is always good as it keeps players happy.

[Yakez]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Altaria:

So more accessibility is always good as it keeps players happy.

Game already is extremely easy for what it is, guide, stream and tutorial coverage is insane. Literally in 30 years of gaming I saw only 1 game that is more complex than PoE - EvE-Online. And that one... well is out of reach of any sane person that have life.

Couple Exalts for chest is nothing if you have decent build that can run red maps with tabula/skin of the loyal. And you are still doing endgamish content witch is already out of reach of 50%+ playerbase. Just stop comparing your build to 5% of players that play game since launch and know every corner of PoE.

[LordOfTheBread]

Anyone that plays this game semi seriously make these 2ex in a few hours, this is not rockect science.

How hard is it to pick up rares in low tier maps and exchange them for 2 chaos / set? If you're not willing to put in that much effort this game is not for you.

You can even do the chaos recipe before maps just by running zones you like over and over again, everyone can do it.

[dOBER]

Początkowo opublikowane przez LordOfTheDread:

Anyone that plays this game semi seriously make these 2ex in a few hours, this is not rockect science.

How hard is it to pick up rares in low tier maps and exchange them for 2 chaos / set? If you're not willing to put in that much effort this game is not for you.

You can even do the chaos recipe before maps just by running zones you like over and over again, everyone can do it.

Even more easy and doable for everyone is delve. A lot more chaos and fossiles are always something worth. Zero effort and unlimited farming without any cost at low on delv. Choas recipe cost so much time compare to delv. Not worth at all.