Store is to expensive.

[Shashu]

Yes i know it's a free to play game and they need to make money, but selling a single skin for $20 and bundles at (edited>) $100+? I feel they will make less money due to less people buying.

So say 100 people played the game and only 1-5 people buy that skin for $20, the game makes $20-100 from that 1 skin. While the rest feel and know... its to expensive for what it's worth and better off buying a game for $20.

But if that skin was say $5, then 25-50 people out of that 100 buy it as they feel its abit more reasonable priced, game just made $125-$250. Hell if you selt the skin for $3 u may get 80 people buying it. ($240) with happy faces)

As for a bundle... $300? 1 out of 100 may buy it. But at $20? 20 people may buy it, ($400)

You would still make money even if is really cheap, while making more people happy.

I want to love the game and so does many my friends, but we are always put off with the store priceing as we would like to buy something nice for ourself but... not everyone is rich.

Warframe is doing fine with money with the prices they do it at, so why can't PoE do it? Skins are like £3-5, bundles around £20, ofc the game is fully free as you can make premium money for free, while a chance of %50-75 discount on buying premium money. £100 down to £25? take my money they deserve it :D

[DarkFaceGlow]

Agree.

[Empyreo]

Yeah, this is one of the reasons Im teetering between this game and warframe. This game is more of a single player game though

[Grumpy]

Originally posted by Shashu:

Yes i know it's a free to play game and they need to make money, but selling a single skin for $20 and bundles at $300+? I feel they will make less money due to less people buying.

well they made enough to grow company quite a lot in the last 6 years with these prices.

also the bundles are probably the least item to complain about. for the $240 package you get 2400 coins worth of $240 and on top of that 5 armour packages + tshirt + hoodie.

in WF you have similar high value packages for ppl who want to spend that amount of money.

Dont get me wrong, I think that the singular items in the shops are expensive, too. But PoE fishes for people who are willing to spend these amount of money

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Originally posted by Shashu:

Warframe is doing fine with money with the prices they do it at, so why can't PoE do it?

because PoE is more niche than WF? Booth are excellent f2p games with a good f2p monetization model. but just because the cheap shop works for WF, it doesnt mean it would work flawlessly for PoE.

[shadeling]

If both f2p play games are excellent, then why does the current rating for WF sit at a negative 56% with 4k votes?

Just curious, not fanboying but when the most recent votes are that negative, it gives me pause to take the leap.

[Shashu]

Originally posted by Grumpy:

Originally posted by Shashu:

Yes i know it's a free to play game and they need to make money, but selling a single skin for $20 and bundles at $300+? I feel they will make less money due to less people buying.

well they made enough to grow company quite a lot in the last 6 years with these prices.

also the bundles are probably the least item to complain about. for the $240 package you get 2400 coins worth of $240 and on top of that 5 armour packages + tshirt + hoodie.

in WF you have similar high value packages for ppl who want to spend that amount of money.

Dont get me wrong, I think that the singular items in the shops are expensive, too. But PoE fishes for people who are willing to spend these amount of money

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Originally posted by Shashu:

Warframe is doing fine with money with the prices they do it at, so why can't PoE do it?

because PoE is more niche than WF? Booth are excellent f2p games with a good f2p monetization model. but just because the cheap shop works for WF, it doesnt mean it would work flawlessly for PoE.

Fair enough saying 300+ was abit to much there so i put it down to 100, as it still the same example. Yes WF have similer bundles but the amount of money u can save on WF makes up for it and those big bundles are for the people who really want to support the game.

I think PoE can do fine with a cheap shop, as i said the cheaper it is, the more ppl will buy to make the same profit or more, instead of buying 1 skin at £15-20 they would buy 4 skins at that price feeling more statisfied.

If your fav food was burgers and u went to a shop to buy one and its £20 would u buy it? mabey u will, if it great quility and worth the money but... you would only buy once a year for a special day mabey or just one in a life time. So that shop makes £20 per person a year say 20 people out of that 100 who felt willing to try or "support". So they make £400 in that year and chances are loseing more money each year.

While across the street there is a McD's with burgers at £2, which you mostly would get instead and buy once a month. About 80-100 people go there because it's "cheaper". They just made £1920-2400 a year that will keep going each year.

(This actually happend with a burger shop that selt burgers for £10-20 in the same area as McDs, that shop shut down due to lack of money while McD grew bigger xD)

This is the same concept in games, people like cheaper things because they have MANY other things to pay for, bills, tax, fuel, internet, food, netflix, subs from other games.. other games with mircotrans.

[LaeLena]

Originally posted by shadeling:

If both f2p play games are excellent, then why does the current rating for WF sit at a negative 56% with 4k votes?

Just curious, not fanboying but when the most recent votes are that negative, it gives me pause to take the leap.

Basically review bombing due to a volunteer translator getting removed from the translation team. Don't know all the details, but apparently he broke NDA, insulted staff members and now other players from his country are angry.

[Grumpy]

Originally posted by Shashu:

Fair enough saying 300+ was abit to much there so i put it down to 100, as it still the same example. Yes WF have similer bundles but the amount of money u can save on WF makes up for it and those big bundles are for the people who really want to support the game.

But all of this applies to the supporter pack in PoE too, even with a rare 75% coupon you get randomly in WF. supporter packs in PoE have an higher value counts in comparison to singular items

the average armour set in PoE costs $45. the above mentioned $240 package gives you the money worth in shop currency and 5 exclusive armour sets which would translate to around $225 + the goodies or another 660 coins = $65.

so you get for $240 around $530 of items back.

and another big difference between the WF and PoE supporter packs are the exclusivity. if the league is over than there will be no more way to get a league supporter pack.

and personally, I rather have sales like in PoE than trusting my luck to get a random 50-75% discount, which just works for 1 or 2 days.

Originally posted by Shashu:

I think PoE can do fine with a cheap shop, as i said the cheaper it is, the more ppl will buy to make the same profit or more, instead of buying 1 skin at £15-20 they would buy 4 skins at that price feeling more statisfied.

on a short timespan maybe, but I doubt that POE would have been here if it has very low prices like WF. because with plat you can buy all kinds of things, even ingame items. a thing which is not possible in PoE.

Originally posted by Shashu:

If your fav food was burgers and u went to a shop to buy one and its £20 would u buy it? mabey u will, if it great quility and worth the money but... you would only buy once a year for a special day mabey or just one in a life time. So that shop makes £20 per person a year say 20 people out of that 100 who felt willing to try or "support". So they make £400 in that year and chances are lose more money each year.

While across the street there is a McD's with burgers at £2, which you mostly would get instead and buy once a month. About 80-100 people go there because it's "cheaper". They just made £1920-2400 a year that will keep going each year.

This is the same concept in games, people like cheaper things because they have MANY other things to pay for, bills, tax, fuel, internet, food, netflix, subs from other games.. other games with mircotrans.

if I would spend 4k hours in that burger restaurant and if it would entertain me in my freetime then I would also consider to eat often the $20 burger. On the other hand, if it only catches my interest with certain cool specials or new flavours every 6-12 months, then I would only buy 2 times / year the $20 burger to check out these new flavours.

[Xilo The Odd]

stuff does go on sale, but if anything there is a lack of options. like, i'd love to be able to upgrade my existing premium tabs into quad tabs.

in the end its a free to play game, they charged nothing up front so they can market however they want.

now if i dropped 60-80$ on it, AND they expected me to use the cash shop they'd just ♥♥♥♥ right off.

[davidb11]

I bring this up many times, but it bears repeating. The prices are to be blamed on people literally 6 years ago thinking paying that much money to support it was fine.

The company, GGG made enough money to be profitable from the MTX, and stash tabs, to attract the attention of Tencent.

The rest is history. Someone wants to pay you $100 Million dollars or so to continue doing your own thing while they work on your Chinese version, why would you say no, really?

But yeah, the prices are because people 6 years ago wanted to pay that much, and GGG was like, "Okay!"

Also, "Everything is worth what its purchaser will pay for it" Publilius Syrus
He said this over 2000 years ago, and he's still accurate to this day.

That quote is the very foundation of the free market economy.
It is from before the Roman Empire was even founded! And it still explains everything that happens with prices to this day.

[Tachyon]

I've looked at the store once or twice and there's never been anything I want or need. I don't even open it any more so they have shot themselves in the foot there.

[Inixus]

Im glad is so expensive, this way i dont feel any temptation to buy anything.

[balzaimon]

I payed $5 to get a couple of stash tabs during a sale and that is all i will ever spend on this game. The price for the skins and other things are waaaay too high but i will agree that the company can charge whatever they want for them. It's dumb and will ultimately cost them in the long run but by then they will have their money in pocket and be moving on to other things. The right thing to do, as a customer, is if you dont like it dont buy it and the company will either sink or swim.

[SunEarthMewsic]

I mean, it's clearly not too expensive if they are still selling and people are still playing.

Where is your explanation for the truth?

I'm afraid that at some point, theory must answer to truth if the theory states one thing and reality is something else

[Xilo The Odd]

Originally posted by iLLusi_Lord:

I mean, it's clearly not too expensive if they are still selling and people are still playing.

Where is your explanation for the truth?

I'm afraid that at some point, theory must answer to truth if the theory states one thing and reality is something else

well said.

im new and i've probably put about 75$ into the game, but i have pretty much everything and anything i could need for basic storage functionality and a few vanity items as well. and wont need to spend anything else for a very long time. next time i buy anything will be when normal premium tabs and be upgraded to quad tabs, if that ever becomes a thing.

[The_Driver]

Do we have a reference point for Warframe as to how much revenue they generate in a year?

You know, to compare it to the filings from:
https://app.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/service/services/documents/99185B9B06CD7AF83623EBDE8ED5902F

(There's quite some data about GGG in it, btw... 100 million revenue, 50 million profit, 4.3 million dollars server hosting fees in the year that ended March 31, 2019)