PoE 2 and SSD

[Robka]

So, what do you think? Do you believe PoE 2 (big update) will have better optimization? Like, we don't need SSD to have better experience?

[Max PC]

I thought my game was running much better than usual, can hardly notice any lagspikes anymore

[SuperHans]

Originally posted by Deku Scrub でくスクラブ:

Originally posted by Baithoven:

Go a bit higher in price like 70eur and you get good ones that only suffers in lifetime. But 70eur every 4 years are cheaper than 200eur every 6 years

Depends if you want speed and capacity. 200$ for a 1TB gen4 5GB/s ssd, you pay for the extra speed rather than capacity for this. Actually, i wouldnt settle for anything less that 1TB nowadays. Its only 10 games. You can get a 1.8GB/s for 130$ but if we are talking about price/performance then the 1.8GB/s at 130$ is more expensive than 5GB/s at 220$.
If you just want capacity and just want higher speeds than a traditional hard drive then you’re looking at 230$ minimum for a 560MB/s 2TB. Its okay, definitely better than a hard drive but I wouldn’t go for this. I value speed over capacity.

"it's like 10 games"
PoE is 30gb.

You don't need a top of the line super fast M.2 SSD to play PoE or in fact any game, a standard $50 SSD is going to do just fine.

[Matt & the Cat]

Originally posted by SuperHans:

Originally posted by Deku Scrub でくスクラブ:

Depends if you want speed and capacity. 200$ for a 1TB gen4 5GB/s ssd, you pay for the extra speed rather than capacity for this. Actually, i wouldnt settle for anything less that 1TB nowadays. Its only 10 games. You can get a 1.8GB/s for 130$ but if we are talking about price/performance then the 1.8GB/s at 130$ is more expensive than 5GB/s at 220$.
If you just want capacity and just want higher speeds than a traditional hard drive then you’re looking at 230$ minimum for a 560MB/s 2TB. Its okay, definitely better than a hard drive but I wouldn’t go for this. I value speed over capacity.

"it's like 10 games"
PoE is 30gb.

You don't need a top of the line super fast M.2 SSD to play PoE or in fact any game, a standard $50 SSD is going to do just fine.

The point of my post was “get what you need” with more information. I second your comment.

[Lagwin1980]

you'll always need an SSD for a better experience, faster loads = less frame time latency and that means a smoother game play experience...for ANY game.

And just ignore the years worth of optomizations.

[Kremlibot]

M.2 drives are now reasonably priced for a 1TB drive. If you're a gamer, you should get one. I got a Samsung Evo 970 M.2 NVMe 1TB drive for around $200 back in 2017. They're probably cheaper now.

Not every game benefits from an SSD, or the difference is extremely marginal, so you can still put some games on the HDD. But put the OS, and the most used games on the SSD.

If you're too cheap to do this on a PC, then save up and buy one of the next gen consoles, if you're too cheap or poor to do even that then I dunno what to tell you other than suck it up and game on like a peasant.

[Tincup_the_Middleman]

WD Blue SSD with an enclosure is what I think I'm getting this week. 500gb for like 70bucks + like 12 for the enclosure.

Any thoughts ?

[Stout Little Pot (Skippy)]

Originally posted by Tincup_the_Middleman:

WD Blue SSD with an enclosure is what I think I'm getting this week. 500gb for like 70bucks + like 12 for the enclosure.

Any thoughts ?

If I were you I'd just get a 1tb. You can find one for $50 more bucks and it's far more worth it.

[Tincup_the_Middleman]

Originally posted by Skippy:

Originally posted by Tincup_the_Middleman:

WD Blue SSD with an enclosure is what I think I'm getting this week. 500gb for like 70bucks + like 12 for the enclosure.

Any thoughts ?

If I were you I'd just get a 1tb. You can find one for $50 more bucks and it's far more worth it.

Sadly I only have 200 bucks to spare and I also have to buy a wireless headphone and the cheapest one of those is 90 bucks.

So 500gb for now will have to do.

What I have no idea yet is whether or not to put my OS on it or just leave it for certain games to load faster.

[Tincup_the_Middleman]

Ended up buying a Sandisk Extreme 500gb for now. Installed Tarkov , Warzone and POE on it and tested out the differences. HOLY HELL I've been missing out.

Cost me 70 bucks.

[The_Driver]

Originally posted by Tincup_the_Middleman:

HOLY HELL I've been missing out. :rfacepalm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdISEYcegww

[Tincup_the_Middleman]

Originally posted by The_Driver:

Originally posted by Tincup_the_Middleman:

HOLY HELL I've been missing out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdISEYcegww

Good lord. My hideout is massively decorated and would take like 2 mins to fully load sometimes.

I logged in a bit ago. Took literally 3 seconds for it to fully load up. I was staring so hard my wife nudged me and just said , ya I see that too.

And that's without moving my OS to boot from SSD either. I've been told you can get some noticeable performance boosts as well from it. Gotta figure how to do that one. I'm sure it won't be as easy as moving a file from HDD to SDD

[The_Driver]

Originally posted by Tincup_the_Middleman:

My hideout is massively decorated and would take like 2 mins to fully load sometimes.

I logged in a bit ago. Took literally 3 seconds for it to fully load up. I was staring so hard my wife nudged me and just said , ya I see that too.

I remember going from 8ish minutes load to main menu down to 40s, way back when it usually took 5-10 minutes for HDD users to get there (because PoEs engine didn't have asynchronous loading at that point). That was with a cheap SanDisk SSD (no Extreme variant) on an old SATA port (so couldn't even exceed 300 MB/s).

"It's just affecting load times"... sure.

[Tincup_the_Middleman]

Originally posted by The_Driver:

Originally posted by Tincup_the_Middleman:

My hideout is massively decorated and would take like 2 mins to fully load sometimes.

I logged in a bit ago. Took literally 3 seconds for it to fully load up. I was staring so hard my wife nudged me and just said , ya I see that too.

I remember going from 8ish minutes load to main menu down to 40s, way back when it usually took 5-10 minutes for HDD users to get there (because PoEs engine didn't have asynchronous loading at that point). That was with a cheap SanDisk SSD (no Extreme variant) on an old SATA port (so couldn't even exceed 300 MB/s).

"It's just affecting load times"... sure.

Ya this one goes up to 500MB/s


One thing I don't know about them though. Is it ok to delete things to reuse space? Or does that affect SSD's lifespan ? I heard about this being an issue years ago , but I think its been worked out ?

[The_Driver]

Originally posted by Tincup_the_Middleman:

One thing I don't know about them though. Is it ok to delete things to reuse space? Or does that affect SSD's lifespan ? I heard about this being an issue years ago , but I think its been worked out ?

SSDs have gotten so good, if you use them normally, they're more reliable (longer Mean Time Between Failures) than an HDD.

Deleting stuff can even be good, as some SSDs don't actively wear level, but only put new files into the freshest cells, so by deleting files, you bring in less used cells into the pool, extending lifespan. Because with temporary files and stuff, you'll always have some use of the "free" space.

Also SSDs write faster to space that has been actually erased and not just marked as free on a cell level (so way below what your OS "sees"), there's a function called TRIM which Windows will use from time to time in order to improve future write speeds on those previously used sectors. So not deleting stuff just-in-time is also good. For sense of scope: The default is to run TRIM once every month: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/administration/windows-commands/defrag

It's the writes that kill the cells over time (like after 1000+ writes, so with good wear leveling and 500 GB you have like 500 TB + reserve (500 GB drives usually have 12 GB overprovisioning... extra cells to use when the first ones have gone bad))...

[Tincup_the_Middleman]

Originally posted by The_Driver:

Originally posted by Tincup_the_Middleman:

One thing I don't know about them though. Is it ok to delete things to reuse space? Or does that affect SSD's lifespan ? I heard about this being an issue years ago , but I think its been worked out ?

SSDs have gotten so good, if you use them normally, they're more reliable (longer Mean Time Between Failures) than an HDD.

Deleting stuff can even be good, as some SSDs don't actively wear level, but only put new files into the freshest cells, so by deleting files, you bring in less used cells into the pool, extending lifespan. Because with temporary files and stuff, you'll always have some use of the "free" space.

Also SSDs write faster to space that has been actually erased and not just marked as free on a cell level (so way below what your OS "sees"), there's a function called TRIM which Windows will use from time to time in order to improve future write speeds on those previously used sectors. So not deleting stuff just-in-time is also good. For sense of scope: The default is to run TRIM once every month: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/administration/windows-commands/defrag

It's the writes that kill the cells over time (like after 1000+ writes, so with good wear leveling and 500 GB you have like 500 TB + reserve (500 GB drives usually have 12 GB overprovisioning... extra cells to use when the first ones have gone bad))...

Ty for the amazing info!