Why are trading bots acceptable?

[zedisdead]

It's blatantly obvious GGG doesn't care about trading bots.

[Ninbro]

What is it that trading bots do that people have issue with? This topic comes up all too often and I cannot comprehend why people claim that they should be banned.

[zedisdead]

Originally posted by Ninbro:

What is it that trading bots do that people have issue with? This topic comes up all too often and I cannot comprehend why people claim that they should be banned.

Ok so by that logic it's a ok to use bots to lvl and farm items right?

[Eleum]

cause it is nearly impossible to get rip off bots no matter what. even if ggg do massive bans wave they juste start a new account and start botting again.
Bots sadly as always being part of arpg like poe and diablo and they are juste not gonna get away .

[^3Tinkles]

Originally posted by Achelus:

cause it is nearly impossible to get rip off bots no matter what. even if ggg do massive bans wave they juste start a new account and start botting again.
Bots sadly as always being part of arpg like poe and diablo and they are juste not gonna get away .

Number of things they could do to get rid of it - marking components is one of them. While I don't like Blizzard (especially in recent years), when they ban you, they mark your hardware. So when you try to join their servers or make an account it says "nope" and that's it. That computer and all of its parts will never connect to that game ever again.

Originally posted by Ninbro:

What is it that trading bots do that people have issue with? This topic comes up all too often and I cannot comprehend why people claim that they should be banned.

#1 Unfair advantage. While your playing the game and doing your thing, your bot is selling everything for you. That's a massive advantage, and violates every EULA for any multiplayer game, each one of them dictates "Anything that takes control from the player or "plays the game for them" is against ToS". Bots violate this on principle, and end up damaging systems that have trading or auction houses, because they can fully control them.

Ever hear of that girl that made a six figures (real money) in the early 2000's by selling guides to WoW on how to control an auction house? You can do that, but with bots. So the richer you are, the easier it is to control the market, and auction houses make it much much easier. With the current trading system, it's just as easy, but the difference is the trade is individual - if both parties can't meet up, the trade cannot happen. Making it harder for bots to control the market and deceive other players in to paying more than an item may be worth (or putting it up for less to be scalped by someone else).

[Incunabulum]

Originally posted by zedisdead:

Originally posted by Ninbro:

What is it that trading bots do that people have issue with? This topic comes up all too often and I cannot comprehend why people claim that they should be banned.

Ok so by that logic it's a ok to use bots to lvl and farm items right?

Completely different thing.

Don't use a bot to play the game.

Do use a bot to trade items - its not part of the gameplay.

[Incunabulum]

Originally posted by ^3Tinkles:

and violates every EULA for any multiplayer game

Apparently not this one. And this one is the only one where it matters.

[^3Tinkles]

Originally posted by Incunabulum:

Originally posted by zedisdead:

Ok so by that logic it's a ok to use bots to lvl and farm items right?

Completely different thing.

Don't use a bot to play the game.

Do use a bot to trade items - its not part of the gameplay.

That's wrong. Once you log in - everything you do is part of gameplay, trading, interacting with other players/npcs, all of it.

When a bot becomes involved and isn't part of the system, and does something a normal player could do - without player input. That is typically a violation of EULA/TOS.

[^3Tinkles]

Originally posted by Incunabulum:

Originally posted by ^3Tinkles:

and violates every EULA for any multiplayer game

Apparently not this one. And this one is the only one where it matters.

It does - same with macros. Macros are another form of a bot (a very simple one) that does multiple tasks at the push of a button. Those are bannable. The only reason why I think they haven't done too much against bots - is a number of reasons.

To clarify, bots are still bannable - I have seen them get banned.

#1 Because some players love insta-trading, get in get out, no chit-chat 10sec or less.
#2 Makes trading easier while they play the game while their alt account trades.
#3 In conjunction with #2, is a pseudo-auction house, with all the cons of both!
#4 Either too much work on their part or they haven't found a way to reliably get rid of them without them returning.

[sal]

becasue they are the only way i can still buy currency without losing my mind

[zedisdead]

Originally posted by (´༎ຶД༎ຶ`):

becasue they are the only way i can still buy currency without losing my mind

Kinda sad the game does so hard at the end league bots have become "acceptable".

Originally posted by ^3Tinkles:

Originally posted by Incunabulum:

Apparently not this one. And this one is the only one where it matters.

It does - same with macros. Macros are another form of a bot (a very simple one) that does multiple tasks at the push of a button. Those are bannable. The only reason why I think they haven't done too much against bots - is a number of reasons.

To clarify, bots are still bannable - I have seen them get banned.

#1 Because some players love insta-trading, get in get out, no chit-chat 10sec or less.
#2 Makes trading easier while they play the game while their alt account trades.
#3 In conjunction with #2, is a pseudo-auction house, with all the cons of both!
#4 Either too much work on their part or they haven't found a way to reliably get rid of them without them returning.

Trade macros are not bots, basically they gather a ton of information and use a algorithm to dictate what a price should be, based on the current market trends. Not let you make bank while you eat ramen while watching anime.

We should have a thing like RuneScape and add a grand exchange or a auction house of sorts. Not turn a blind eye to violations that are bannable just to make trading mid way through a dead league semi tolerable.

[sal]

Originally posted by zedisdead:

Originally posted by (´༎ຶД༎ຶ`):

becasue they are the only way i can still buy currency without losing my mind

Kinda sad the game does so hard at the end league bots have become "acceptable".

Originally posted by ^3Tinkles:

It does - same with macros. Macros are another form of a bot (a very simple one) that does multiple tasks at the push of a button. Those are bannable. The only reason why I think they haven't done too much against bots - is a number of reasons.

To clarify, bots are still bannable - I have seen them get banned.

#1 Because some players love insta-trading, get in get out, no chit-chat 10sec or less.
#2 Makes trading easier while they play the game while their alt account trades.
#3 In conjunction with #2, is a pseudo-auction house, with all the cons of both!
#4 Either too much work on their part or they haven't found a way to reliably get rid of them without them returning.

Trade macros are not bots, basically they gather a ton of information and use a algorithm to dictate what a price should be, based on the current market trends. Not let you make bank while you eat ramen while watching anime.

We should have a thing like RuneScape and add a grand exchange or a auction house of sorts. Not turn a blind eye to violations that are bannable just to make trading mid way through a dead league semi tolerable.

as a community together we could eradicate tradebots once and for all if we decided to respond to every trade :)

[Grumpy]

Originally posted by (´༎ຶД༎ຶ`):

Originally posted by zedisdead:

Kinda sad the game does so hard at the end league bots have become "acceptable".



Trade macros are not bots, basically they gather a ton of information and use a algorithm to dictate what a price should be, based on the current market trends. Not let you make bank while you eat ramen while watching anime.

We should have a thing like RuneScape and add a grand exchange or a auction house of sorts. Not turn a blind eye to violations that are bannable just to make trading mid way through a dead league semi tolerable.

as a community together we could eradicate tradebots once and for all if we decided to respond to every trade :)

which is not possible.

[Loco]

If a macro does more than one action, like drinking two or more flasks, or a flask and using a skill, it's bannable. If it only does one thing, such as the logout macros, it's ok.

Trade bots? You're asking for a fairly complex system to monitor chat and player trades to determine what is a bot, macro, or even simply somone occasionally pressing enter/up/enter while mapping. After that, there's going to be false positives and complaints, which ggg will have to investigate... and I'd not trust their system to be accurate, especially if it's anything like the one that's banning people at lvl 40.

Or you can simply report or block them. Enough reports and ggg looks into it.

[Outsider]

Because they refuse to implement automated player shops or auction house.
Trading bots are here to stay until Chris changes his mind.

[^3Tinkles]

Originally posted by Außenseiter:

Because they refuse to implement automated player shops or auction house.
Trading bots are here to stay until Chris changes his mind.

AH is bad we've been over this.