Extremely disappointed

[Mo0on]

Thanks for completely ruining hierophant this league.

Absolutely love the -1 max totem changes.

Totally useful having spell echo attached to my totem build? wtf?

GGG you're stupid.


GGG, I know you guys aren't the smartest bunch, but please take a look at your feedback forums and review the Ritual Of Awakening suggestions to NOT ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ NERF HIEROPHANT.


IDIOTS ENJOY MY MONEY STAYING IN MY WALLET THIS LEAGUE ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.


,,l,, (^-^) ,,l,,

[Agenta]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von иσρ Deadbubble:

I remember when people were saying the Elementalist rework was absolutely trash, and only golems were even good.

To be fair, I've never played Hiero or barely any totems, so can't really know in this instance.

Elementalist is still mostly carried by Beacon of Ruin and Mastermind of Discord. Though Mastermind of Discord is only really used for Tri-Herald builds.

What makes it worse is those nodes are locked behind some really bad nodes.

Beacon of Ruin is guarded by Shaper of Desolation. Shaper of Desolation is useless for many builds that use Elemental Ailments due to critical strikes guarenteeing ailment aplication, even if you use Elemental Overload. And if you are using Beacon of Ruin you are guarenteedly using Shock or Ignite, which means you are probably going crit/ele-overload, or using some other way to apply ailments (Such as other nodes on the passive tree that also boost the damage/effectiveness of the ailments).

Mastermind of Discord is guarded by Pendulum of Destruction. THIS depends on the build. Some builds can effectively use both, some only want the AoE, some only want the elemental damage, some don't need either, some don't want either. Pendelum of Destruction is still useful, but it's also slightly-RNG which one you get. It would be much better if there was some way to guarentee which buff you have.

Elementalist is still stronger then other ascendancies, but it's not completely perfect.

[Jew_Santa]

@kazaddum

Ursprünglich geschrieben von kazaddum:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von GoodnightMoon:

Thanks for completely ruining hierophant this league.

Absolutely love the -1 max totem changes.

They actually buffed him. You lose one totem but always place 2 at once, thus your damage ramps up faster. You also get 3% more damage per totem if you really go for mass totems this evens out the damage penalty from additional totems support at 20. Furthermore we already know thereare two veiled mod that give +1 totem each. I think you know can have up to 8 totems at once...

Yeah, such nerf. Not.

But well done making an idiot out of yourself :D

1. Veiled +1 totem probably restricted to just one item type, shield?
2. Multiple Totems support takes one gem slot which is 33%less per totem(lets say Rutless Gem)which is not so cool for Ancestral Warchief.
3. Multilple Totems at level 20 propably reach 29% less not 20% less, it will not even up (check Spell Totem gem progression). Which end up 11% less damage (not per totem thank god). New Hierophnat's 3% more per totem with 6x totems included in calculation. 29%-18%= 11% less
4 Summary:
A. Old Warcheif Hierophant 4(totems)x 100%=400% power (no less dmg modifers, 5x damage supports)
B. New Warchief Hierophant 6(totems)x 56%power( 100%-43%[less dmg effect and 1 dmg gem lost= 342% power


old 400%(500% if we can have +1 totem shield and old Hiero +1 perk) vs new 342%

Faster totem placement (two at once) is irrevelant vs bosses and can be harmful to clear speed when you want to cover whole screen with tacticaly placed single totems.
The only way this is a buff if new Hierohants perks magicaly clones totems and bypass totem cap. Otherwise IT'S NERF. Not to mention one has to play stupid league to obtain +1 totem shield. Replace your Great Old One with it and have less base physical damage. Dual Void Battery Arc totem builds basicly same story. Nerf.

[Grumpy]

the one less totem is imo not that big of a deal, I mean sure it takes away one advantage of the hiero but whatever.

but the chance of dual cast vs strategical placement is also my concern

[Jew_Santa]

And how to play when you use two type of totems?Main one and the other one for buffs? Dual placement will mess that up.

[Agenta]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Jew_Santa:

@kazaddum

Ursprünglich geschrieben von kazaddum:

They actually buffed him. You lose one totem but always place 2 at once, thus your damage ramps up faster. You also get 3% more damage per totem if you really go for mass totems this evens out the damage penalty from additional totems support at 20. Furthermore we already know thereare two veiled mod that give +1 totem each. I think you know can have up to 8 totems at once...

Yeah, such nerf. Not.

But well done making an idiot out of yourself :D

1. Veiled +1 totem probably restricted to just one item type, shield?
2. Multiple Totems support takes one gem slot which is 33%less per totem(lets say Rutless Gem)which is not so cool for Ancestral Warchief.
3. Multilple Totems at level 20 propably reach 29% less not 20% less, it will not even up (check Spell Totem gem progression). Which end up 11% less damage (not per totem thank god). New Hierophnat's 3% more per totem with 6x totems included in calculation. 29%-18%= 11% less
4 Summary:
A. Old Warcheif Hierophant 4(totems)x 100%=400% power (no less dmg modifers, 5x damage supports)
B. New Warchief Hierophant 6(totems)x 56%power( 100%-43%[less dmg effect and 1 dmg gem lost= [b]342% power[/b]

Faster totem placement (two at once) is irrevelant vs bosses and can be harmfull for clear speed when you want to cover whole screen with tacticaly placed single totems.
The only way this is a buff if new Hierohants perks magicaly clones totems and bypass totem cap. Otherwise IT'S NERF. Not to mention one has to play stupid league to obtain +1 totem item.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2255835 Multiple Totem Support is 21 less damage, +2 to maximum summoned totems, and you place 2 totems at once. And gains 1% placement speed per quality. That is at Gem Level 20. If you manage to get a Gem Level 21 or 22 you might make it to around 14-16% less damage. This can probably still be obtained from the Double-Corruptions from the Corruption Altar in the Temple of Atzoatal.

Also, Scion Heirophant Sub-Ascendancy still has the +1 to summon totems. So there is that if you really want it. Scion also gives you other utilties.

And also the Heirophant now gets brands, which look pretty good for pack-clearing and boss-damage.

We don't know if the Veiled-Mod is restricted to shields. It might be. It might not be.

Overall, I think we should wait and see how well it does during the actual League rather then making too many quick assumptions that may or may not be correct.

[Jew_Santa]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Agenta1999:

Also, Scion Heirophant Sub-Ascendancy still has the +1 to summon totems. So there is that if you really want it. Scion also gives you other utilties.

Included in claculations. +1 skill tree +1 Hierophants erk,+1 base,+1 shield,+2 support gem

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Agenta1999:

And also the Heirophant now gets brands, which look pretty good for pack-clearing and boss-damage.

Maybe for spell totems. Not for Warchiefs. And doing another extra action for clear speed? Kind of Oxymoron.

I think, at BEST (Multiple Totems 20% less evened up to 2% with Hiero's perk)it will be just slightly less power and we have to play whole damn league to get even close to previous strength. 390% then. +1 boots on top of +1shield can save it so we can call it 'actualy a buff'. But i doubt they going to allow more than +1 totem from gear.

[kazaddum]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Jew_Santa:

@kazaddum

Ursprünglich geschrieben von kazaddum:

They actually buffed him. You lose one totem but always place 2 at once, thus your damage ramps up faster. You also get 3% more damage per totem if you really go for mass totems this evens out the damage penalty from additional totems support at 20. Furthermore we already know thereare two veiled mod that give +1 totem each. I think you know can have up to 8 totems at once...

Yeah, such nerf. Not.

But well done making an idiot out of yourself :D

1. Veiled +1 totem probably restricted to just one item type, shield?
2. Multiple Totems support takes one gem slot which is 33%less per totem(lets say Rutless Gem)which is not so cool for Ancestral Warchief.
3. Multilple Totems at level 20 propably reach 29% less not 20% less, it will not even up (check Spell Totem gem progression). Which end up 11% less damage (not per totem thank god). New Hierophnat's 3% more per totem with 6x totems included in calculation. 29%-18%= 11% less
4 Summary:
A. Old Warcheif Hierophant 4(totems)x 100%=400% power (no less dmg modifers, 5x damage supports)
B. New Warchief Hierophant 6(totems)x 56%power( 100%-43%[less dmg effect and 1 dmg gem lost= 342% power


old 400%(500% if we can have +1 totem shield and old Hiero +1 perk) vs new 342%

Faster totem placement (two at once) is irrevelant vs bosses and can be harmful to clear speed when you want to cover whole screen with tacticaly placed single totems.
The only way this is a buff if new Hierohants perks magicaly clones totems and bypass totem cap. Otherwise IT'S NERF. Not to mention one has to play stupid league to obtain +1 totem shield. Replace your Great Old One with it and have less base physical damage. Dual Void Battery Arc totem builds basicly same story. Nerf.

1. It's shield enchant. So far there's no indication that it's only of a special kind of shield.
2. It decreases the damage by 40% at lvl 1. If what you say is true then you end up with whoopin 11% less damage.
3. While you can set up twice the number of totems per skill activation. I agree it's less raw damage, however that damage does not get dealt of the totems get nuked by some boss skill and you have to set them up again. With the ability to set up two totems at a time, this is easier to counter.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Jew_Santa:

And how to play when you use two type of totems?Main one the the other for buffs? Dual placement will mess that up.

Agreed, that is getting thrown under the bus.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Vialistics:

Its rather adorable you cry over totems, when they take no skill to play in the first place. Maybe try something that involves using your brain more you boosted ape.

Still less ♥♥♥♥ than Inpulsa.

[lmaogg]

if it's op it's only natural for it to get nerf no? :thinking:

It's call game balancing.

[Rafein]

One less totem for hierophant is not that big a deal. And that's coming from someone who almost always plays totems at league start.

There are benefits to casting 2 totems at once, especially on high AoE fights, where your totems get taken down quickly, so I can see the appeal of having the skill reworked.

The totem support is not too bad. Level 20 gem was revealed to by 21% less, and will go down if you get extra + to gem levels, so not the worst option. Especially with Templar Hierophant getting 3% more damage per totem. Add to that extra totem on at least one slot, and it should be fine

But, I am also very flexiable in my totem builds. I'll probably just move to Scion totem, keep the +1 from Hierophant, and pair it with somehting like Chieftain for sustain, or Deadeye if using projectiles, or Assassin for crit.

Templar Hiero nerf was small. Probably justified. But totems overall, will be perfectly fine.

[HelhiganM]

not like it matters

[Illumina]

Have you seen the builds that have died in the past?
You think losing one totem is the death of the game?

Of course he's not here now, he ran away crying when every reply was laughing at his inability to adapt.

[Grumpy]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Illumina:

Have you seen the builds that have died in the past?
You think losing one totem is the death of the game?

Of course he's not here now, he ran away crying when every reply was laughing at his inability to adapt.

Double dipping Q.Q

[Chooee]

My favorite kind of crying is the crying over patch notes and changes to builds.