Reflect physical damage mod is cancer.

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I'm sitting in my first tier 5 map with reflect 13% physical damage modifier and thinking if I just abandon it and run something else.
It's literally unplayable, pack of 10 mobs drain most of my 5.5k HP in one lacerate, I can barely keep up with my leech/life on kill and flasks.
How am I supposed to beat this? Cheese with summons and spells I'm not built for? I was confidently face tanking pretty much anything up to this point.

[Grumpy]

just do a different map.

next time reroll the mods your char is not able to run. not evey char is able to run every map mod.

only phys based char which can run reflect safely is slayer, or scion with the slayer node

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It was corrupted map so I couldn't reroll it.
I managed to beat it, but it was not fun. To add insult to the injury syndicate spawned in the boss room, so I just had to run in circles while my weak summons scratched everything to death.
It would be unbeatable if at least one of the bosses or syndicate members had any life regen.
I guess it's another lesson to learn - trash phys reflect maps.

[The_Driver]

Originally posted by Außenseiter:

It was corrupted map so I couldn't reroll it.

Not sure if the mod can spawn on white tier maps, but there's an immune to reflected damage sextant mod, which you may be able to use to run your reflect maps, just make sure to run them in bulk so you don't waste the 3 uses.

But yeah, on a T5 map just don't run the map, the sextant thing is more for valuable maps, like red tier.

[Outsider]

It was yellow vaal pyramid map. As if broken prince wasn't literally broken as is.

[Rogue]

In softcore, I have 2 characters. One elemental based and the other physical, I switch between them... Heh. In hardcore, it's totem based, so the totems die.

Sell the map off if your character can't handle the mods. It can be annoying later when those mods are locked due to corruption, especially in red maps. You'll also know it's reflect against you when you die suddenly for unid maps...

[Rayvnn]

That is the game, if you have no immunity you basically cannot run reflect maps in PoE that's just how it is. If you corrupt the map and reflect rolls on it then you're unlucky but that's the risk you take when corrupting. Some things you simply cannot do in PoE with every character.

[Helnano]

pantheon god helps too (yugul i think it is?). Wont make it easy but it will be more manageable

[Timbermaw]

Sell the map and get a elemental reflect instead WOW MINDBLOWING

[Calamity Heart]

Yeah, reflect mods on maps are dumb and really should've gotten changed right along with the old "Thorns" nemesis mod.

People who are saying "hurr durr run a different map" are missing the point. Damage reflection, at least how its implemented here, is horribly counter-intuitive to how the game encourages you to play. It punishes well-built characters. High DPS and decent AOE are key to clearing maps efficiently, but if you run into a reflect map with high DPS and decent AOE, you're ♥♥♥♥♥♥, and the map becomes literally impossible unless you neuter yourself and heavily reduce your own DPS and clear speed.

Why should I have to do this when it goes against everything I've been taught by this game? A well-designed difficult game like this should raise difficulty, not lower accessability, and for the vast majority of builds, that's exactly what reflect mods do. They make the map in question completely inaccessable, and forces you to either spend a chaos to change the map to something actually accessable, or (if it's corrupted) throw it away.

Reflect mods really need to be either removed or redesigned.

[Maggie]

Originally posted by Außenseiter:

I'm sitting in my first tier 5 map with reflect 13% physical damage modifier and thinking if I just abandon it and run something else.
It's literally unplayable, pack of 10 mobs drain most of my 5.5k HP in one lacerate, I can barely keep up with my leech/life on kill and flasks.
How am I supposed to beat this? Cheese with summons and spells I'm not built for? I was confidently face tanking pretty much anything up to this point.

Make yourself a cancer regen tornado with high attack speed and life on hit instead of leech then just get an anti freeze item and cyclone spin to win

this is just an idea

https://www.pathofexile.com/fullscreen-passive-skill-tree/3.5.1/AAAABAYCAQIRA4cFtQhJCSAKmwxzES8R1RUgFfAV_Ra_G60hYCLqI9MqODIBM6M17zY9Ou1DMUSeRfRLHEtXTipTu1boV5dauVuvW9NeRV-wYEFirGNwZK9sjG8nb1dvnnTxdf1463sUfXWAs4FBgwmEb4o4iw6Nv49gj8GRR5LzlLiVZppqm7WdqqLZsNixs7IZsty0xbVIvV2-p7_VwOPBi8LswzrKSs96037UQtYH2jvdDd-g3_PgleLV5wro1utj7UHvevGz9qP5Y_rr_ro=

[Grumpy]

Originally posted by Calamity Heart:

Reflect mods really need to be either removed or redesigned.

some chars cant run no regen while others can
some chars will have problems with no leech while others dont care
some chars cant run hexproof (or just hardly) while some dont rely as much on curses

like I said, the game is NOT made that EVERY char can run EVERYTHING. the same you stating above also counts for these 3 mods, too.

+ these 4 maps, with reflect on the top make you prepare the maps carefully and not play the game brain dead. if OP had read the maps beforehand, he probably wouldnt have run a reflect map.

Originally posted by Calamity Heart:

or (if it's corrupted) throw it away.

in most cases you only corrupt red maps and mostly you can sell corrupt maps for the same price as non corrupted maps. so basically you loose just the vaal and alch orb

Originally posted by N4N0X:

pantheon god helps too (yugul i think it is?). Wont make it easy but it will be more manageable

not if your char has too much damage.

[CyberDown]

Maps were designed so that its possible to get a modifier or pairing of modifiers that will be nearly impossible to run based on your build. Every build tends to have a couple mods that are cause to reroll the map.

You are suppose to occasionally reroll maps, just keep that in mind. I can run all reflects with my minion build (though i need to remove my main attack from my hotbars on elemental reflect) however i will ALWAYS reroll a temporal chains and no regens map.

If its corrupted as an unplayable map consider selling it for 1C.

All of this is just the cost of doing business in POE endgame.

[Rogue]

Originally posted by CyberDown:

If its corrupted as an unplayable map consider selling it for 1C.

Don't sell for 1C but at the going rate of that map ... Some people can run it as long as their builds can handle those mods.

[Rinko]

Originally posted by CyberDown:

however i will ALWAYS reroll a temporal chains

Flasks with curse immunity (of Warding suffix) remove map mod curses. Unless map the map has a crap layout and/or reduced flask charges you really shouldn't reroll map curses.

[Calamity Heart]

Originally posted by Grumpy:

Originally posted by Calamity Heart:

Reflect mods really need to be either removed or redesigned.

some chars cant run no regen while others can
some chars will have problems with no leech while others dont care
some chars cant run hexproof (or just hardly) while some dont rely as much on curses

like I said, the game is NOT made that EVERY char can run EVERYTHING. the same you stating above also counts for these 3 mods, too.

There's a pretty big difference between not being able to regenerate/leech/curse and not being able to play the game on the most basic level (i.e. attacking enemies) without completely demolishing yourself in one click.

One might make me go "Yeesh, those are scary mods that'll make the map really hard for me to do." The other, I won't even spare a thought, because there's no "do" involved with maps that completely wall off my ability to play the game without actively sabotaging myself.