Item Tooltip - confusing

[lx]

Presing the alt modifies the tooltip with some extra data. This data shows modifier tiers.
The problem:
A quick observation(confirmed true) shows that counting tiers starts from infinity to 1. That means tier 1 is the best. I think that is the wrong way of numbering tiers. It shall be the opposite - 1 to infinity.
The problem in general is probably the word "tier". If it was called "semething else more appropriate", it would be OK.

Dictionary describes one of the meanings of tier as: "one of a series of rows or ranks rising one behind or above another, as of seats in an amphitheater, boxes in a theater, guns in a man-of-war, or oars in an ancient galley". As the game does it, we start with row infinity and count down to row 1(0). Makes sense to anyone?

Is my observation correct and if so, what do you think about it?

[Grumpy]

In some countries school grades are ranging from 1 to 6, in others from 6 to 1 or from A to F. in any of them the right approach? Dont think so because all doing the same, just differs how you are used to it.

As for me, I dont care if the tiers are 1-9 or 9-1. its booth the same as long as the numbering system within the game is consistent.

[Drake]

It's actually not practical. The issue with tiers is that the number of tiers depends on the mod. Some have 3, some 2, some 1, some 8 etc.
So when you look at an item, you always know that the best one is going to be the first, whereas the other way around you would need to check everytime the poe database to know if you're max tier or not and how many tiers are ahead.

Also, class is used for something else on items. Item class is a sub category of item. One handed is a class, sword is a class. the item filter actually has a keyword for class and another one for tier.

[Ratio decidendi]

It is a valid observation. But the numbering is fine as long as it is properly communicated to the players and is consistent throughout.

[Kamiyama]

Not everyone walks around with a wiki inside thier head. If tier 1 is the best, you always know you got a good mod on a drop if it says tier 1.

Otherwise you're going to forget how many tiers each mod has and get confused.

[lx]

Originally posted by Grumpy:

In some countries school grades are ranging from 1 to 6, in others from 6 to 1 or from A to F. in any of them the right approach? Dont think so because all doing the same, just differs how you are used to it.

As for me, I dont care if the tiers are 1-9 or 9-1. its booth the same as long as the numbering system within the game is consistent.

I dont deal in special cases. Being used to wrong is wrong :). the 1-6 is called value. the f-a is called grade. those examples are not tiers. As one histoy book says, once upon a time people tried to reach haven and were punished by this kind of jibberish. So I say we shall re-unify our stuff and stick to the definition of tier and use it right. im not going to comment the "i dont care" attitude(forum rules).

Originally posted by Sajah:

It's actually not practical. The issue with tiers is that the number of tiers depends on the mod. Some have 3, some 2, some 1, some 8 etc.
So when you look at an item, you always know that the best one is going to be the first, whereas the other way around you would need to check everytime the poe database to know if you're max tier or not and how many tiers are ahead.

Also, class is used for something else on items. Item class is a sub category of item. One handed is a class, sword is a class. the item filter actually has a keyword for class and another one for tier.

it took me your explaination to see trough this, i wont say its right. where are the missing tiers?
what about the word "rank"? ill edit the post so that people get it that its just a random alternative.

[Grumpy]

Originally posted by lx:

Originally posted by Grumpy:

In some countries school grades are ranging from 1 to 6, in others from 6 to 1 or from A to F. in any of them the right approach? Dont think so because all doing the same, just differs how you are used to it.

As for me, I dont care if the tiers are 1-9 or 9-1. its booth the same as long as the numbering system within the game is consistent.

I dont deal in special cases. Being used to wrong is wrong :). the 1-6 is called value. the f-a is called grade. those examples are not tiers. As one histoy book says, once upon a time people tried to reach haven and were punished by this kind of jibberish. So I say we shall re-unify our stuff and stick to the definition of tier and use it right. im not going to comment the "i dont care" attitude(forum rules).

you asked for opinions what others thinking of this. I present you my opinion and you doesnt like it. thats fine. but whats with that "(forum rules)" thing?

and you got my example with grade system completely wrong because

1 best and 6 worse is a grading system
6 worst and 1 best is one, and
A to F is one

[The Undead Watcher]

The Advanced Tooltip(Mod names and Tier) is only shown if you have the option turned on in the first place(not turned on by default), therefor no new player is going to be confused by the "Wrong"(Your Opinion, nothing more) numbering of the Tiers.

IF someone turned that on willingly, then they either know what they were doing in the first place or they are going to search for it in the internet or chat.

Therefor your proposition, the wrongly numbered tier system is confusing to others and it should be your way, is pointless.

[Deadbubble]

Its easy to understand. T1 = Best teir, regardless of item type.

Having it the other way around would actually be awful, because then you'd have a whole mess of "t8 is best on x, t12 is best on x, t4 is best on x."

[lx]

Originally posted by Grumpy:

and you got my example with grade system completely wrong because

i understood you well enough and tried to enlighten you that none of your examples are tiers as the word tier is the topic of this.

Originally posted by Sky Cleaner:

...his oppinion here...

guess what. im not the one that invented tiers. what i know is learned from the estabilished meanings and procedures that are like so for centuries(at least).

MrFoxAos is obviously a backwards guy.
"one of the definitions". so which definition conforms to GGG's backwards tier numbering? which definition conflicts with the example of how its done right? which definition is irrelative? you want me to quote the entire dicionary, maybe? what is written there is a proof of my thesis.

Originally posted by иσρ Deadbubble:

Its easy to understand. ...

it is indeed, once someone tells you that its done backwards. i already said that i understand how and why its done as is and that it is the word tier that is out of place, which might not be so obvious, but its the main topic of the discussion and many seem to fail to understand.

no one replied with an example of how my understanding of tier is wrong. i can afford being arrogant because im right.

i did recieve your oppinions. you dont care. you dont even care to read and understand.

[Grumpy]

Originally posted by lx:

Originally posted by Grumpy:

and you got my example with grade system completely wrong because

i understood you well enough and tried to enlighten you that none of your examples are tiers as the word tier is the topic of this.

no not really, you always disturb yourself on the word grade, which is not tier.

the point of a grading system is to value the accomplishments of the pupils. within the system of, lets say, Germany the notation goes from 1 (best) to 6 (worst). but there is no universal / global rule how the notation need to be. therefore, none of the different grading notations is really wrong or right.

same with yours: you use tiers to order something. there are system, like PoE mods, where you count from infinity to 1, and others where you count from 1 to inifinty but as far as I am aware there is no rule that a tier system needs to go from 1 to infinity. is one of the 2 approaches to tier wrong? no - because booth doing exactly the same. same with my grading system above.

you just took a general wiki entry of the word tier and declared that PoE's system of inifinity to 1 is wrong because you are much more used to tiers the other way around. If we put away the phrase "used to it" because you dont like it, we are left with the fact that you wanna work with the definition of tier, even when the definition does not clarify the order of importance. All the definition tells us that tiers are there to order something.
Does PoE utilize tiers to order something? yes.

As for the question, why PoE goes the other way around, there are already multiple explanations in this thread.

[[BB4U]DEN]

The concept is simple and used in all sporting events/contests that we know of ... 1st place is top tier.

Entimology is not the profession of anyone on these boards.

[Moonfear]

if you rate "X" the worst, and 1 the best, you know which is the best at first glance. Other way around, what is the best? 6? 7? 8? What if you have afix with 4 different tiers, and affix with 6 different tiers? How you easily tell the player he have the best one?

Brainz.. Use them..

[lx]

that guy, your comment is simple.
etymology(getting to the bottom of it) is my profession actually, so you can go watch a sports event, with all of its enlightenment and spare us the blindness.

although you can maybe tell us what is "Entimology"?
or which tier is top - 1st or the infinite?
better yet, dont write a thing

[lx]

Originally posted by Moonfear:

... How you easily tell the player he have the best one?

Brainz.. Use them..

bigger number = better - its simple logic.
creating ambiguity is quite the bad thing

if you disagree, gimme your 1000 money, ill give you mine 1?

[Mike Litoris]

1000 Orb of Transmutation > 1 divine for ya !
What is your IG Tag plzzzzzz ?
Can you use "currency" instead of "money", it's "confusing"