Best Solo Hardcore Class And Build?

[Cr4zYcH1cK3nB0Y]

I've actually been playing for quite a while, however haven't really explored other facets of the game besides standard mode, and haven't made it too far with many of them.

That being said, I have been trying to figure out which class would be the best to play hardcore mode with. I'm sure its between the Marauder, Duelist, or the newer Scion, however I'd like to get someone elses opinion and thoughts on it.

Also, what build is best for the class?

I attempted hardcore with a Scion and failed due to going into a labyrinth. Note: Labyrinth not good to attempt until later, and thats even a maybe.

So yeah, I'm really just trying to figure out which would be the best class. Build I'm less concerned about because I can find one, or figure it out along the way.

High sustainablity is obviously a choice characteristic.

Thanks gamer friends :D

P.S. Maybe I'm looking at the wrong classes altogether...

[StreamWhenGuy]

E Q J U G G

[Cr4zYcH1cK3nB0Y]

Originally posted by StreamWhenGuy:

E Q J U G G :screamer:

Thanks for the non-helpful advice.

[Paroe]

Originally posted by Cr4zYcH1cK3nB0Y:

Originally posted by StreamWhenGuy:

E Q J U G G :screamer:

Thanks for the non-helpful advice.

Slayer is a nice choice for the sustain he has - But EQ might not actually be as bad an idea as you think.

Vaal EQ seems really nice.

[Cr4zYcH1cK3nB0Y]

Slayer? EQ? Are these new classes that I just dont know about in Path of Exile?

[Zelph]

Originally posted by Cr4zYcH1cK3nB0Y:

Slayer? EQ? Are these new classes that I just dont know about in Path of Exile?

Which "class" you choose doesn't matter really. All that does is determine starting point and ascendencies, nothing else. Skill and ascendency matter a lot more then anything else. Slayer is a duelist ascendency. EQ is earthquake.

[Cr4zYcH1cK3nB0Y]

Originally posted by Gammy:

Originally posted by Cr4zYcH1cK3nB0Y:

Slayer? EQ? Are these new classes that I just dont know about in Path of Exile?

Which "class" you choose doesn't matter really. All that does is determine starting point and ascendencies, nothing else. Skill and ascendency matter a lot more then anything else. Slayer is a duelist ascendency. EQ is earthquake.

Ok, but it does matter because they have different stats... ... dex... strength ... intellect... they increase differently for each class, so, yeah, i'd think it does matter some

[Cr4zYcH1cK3nB0Y]

And, who starts closer to the best build, that matters some as well, otherwise you would die sooner because you couldn't get to the path you needed in time for where you're at in the game. So all of this matters... that's why I ask

[Zelph]

Originally posted by Cr4zYcH1cK3nB0Y:

Originally posted by Gammy:

Which "class" you choose doesn't matter really. All that does is determine starting point and ascendencies, nothing else. Skill and ascendency matter a lot more then anything else. Slayer is a duelist ascendency. EQ is earthquake.

Ok, but it does matter because they have different stats... ... dex... strength ... intellect... they increase differently for each class, so, yeah, i'd think it does matter some

They don't have different stats, there base stats are the same. Where they are on the board determines what stats they will gain at first. A witch could end with more strength then a marauder, or a duelist more intelligence then a witch. It doesn't matter.

There is no best build, there is no best start. Look on the PoE official forums for a starter build and go with one of those.

If you are dying before act 3, then you are at fault. Everything before that is painfully easy, and after that, 90% of builds are already well under way.

[StreamWhenGuy]

May be HC isn't for you yet if you don't understand the basics dude?
Try SRS witch or Jaggernaut\Gladiator Sunder\Earthquake... And you want to play SSF I assume? Good luck with that.

[Must4Die]

https://pastebin.com/jhQjbh5U

[Cr4zYcH1cK3nB0Y]

Originally posted by StreamWhenGuy:

May be HC isn't for you yet if you don't understand the basics dude?
Try SRS witch or Jaggernaut\Gladiator Sunder\Earthquake... And you want to play SSF I assume? Good luck with that.

Hey, sorry I don't understand every single accronym you throw at me there hoss. I'm simply trying to get a good start on hardcore, and not some squishy ranger or something to start with. Because I already know from playing a ranger in standard, that it would be a bad idea to go with a ranger in HC.

So, just because I don't know every abbreviation in PoE, it doesn't mean I'm not a good canidate for HC. Thanks for not helping again...

Originally posted by Gammy:

They don't have different stats, there base stats are the same. Where they are on the board determines what stats they will gain at first. A witch could end with more strength then a marauder, or a duelist more intelligence then a witch. It doesn't matter.

There is no best build, there is no best start. Look on the PoE official forums for a starter build and go with one of those.

If you are dying before act 3, then you are at fault. Everything before that is painfully easy, and after that, 90% of builds are already well under way.

Helpful advice would be nice. I didn't post this for absolutely no reason... You even say that "Where they are on the board determines what stats they will gain at first" Yeah, well, it matters where they are on the board in the mid to late game as well because a templar is way further from where a duelist starts or witch, w/e, they are on completely different sides of the board, and it would take MORE points to get to the other complete side of the board for those skills, so to say it doesn't matter, is absolute, complete and total nonsense, because it has to matter. For a duelist at the bottom of the board, has access to closer two hand melee bonuses than a ranger on the right side of the board.

Anyways, someone with something "helpful" to say would be appreciated, rather than "nothing matters"

Some of you may play PoE all day and night, and do absolutely nothing else in your life, but I play when I can and I do other things on the side as well. If people can't ask questions anymore, what has this world come to?

[Grumpy]

#1 Asking newbie question? ✔
#2 getting answers? ✔
#3 scolding at everyone because they play so much and because newbie dont understand the basics ✔
#4 telling everyone how toxic that community is? still missing

despite that above you got already several builds, slayer something, EQ JUGG, SRS, Sunder and the spectre one in the pastebin.

you can ask for helpful posts all day long, but even when people give you helpful build recommendations you go and put them away due to several reasons, like not knowing the skills / ascendancy classes or assume that the stats of the base classes matter much.

also look for yourself for starter HC builds http://www.timtips.com/buildbrowser/#/list

[Cr4zYcH1cK3nB0Y]

Originally posted by Grumpy:

#1 Asking newbie question? ✔
#2 getting answers? ✔
#3 scolding at everyone because they play so much and because newbie dont understand the basics ✔
#4 telling everyone how toxic that community is? still missing

despite that above you got already several builds, slayer something, EQ JUGG, SRS, Sunder and the spectre one in the pastebin.

you can ask for helpful posts all day long, but even when people give you helpful build recommendations you go and put them away due to several reasons, like not knowing the skills / ascendancy classes or assume that the stats of the base classes matter much.

also look for yourself for starter HC builds http://www.timtips.com/buildbrowser/#/list

#1 Trolling because their friends have trolled ✔
#2 Not giving any helpful advice ✔
#3 Giving accronyms is a "helpful build recommendation" ✔
#4 Giving a link to a website other than personal experience is good enough ✔
#5 Telling the truth about how several people play PoE all day and night and do absolutely nothing else in their life is a personal attack on me for some reason but I have no clue why ✔
#6 Using check marks and bulletins to let others know that I'm not trolling (but really are) wink wink ✔

Stop all the trolling please. I asked for some simple advice for starting out hardcore, so taking someone just posting E Q J U G G and that suppose to be the end of the conversation really doesnt help. I know all of you are all about the build, but where you start at on the board DOES MATTER! Do you read that, IT DOES MATTER.... wish I could make bigger letters than that because I know "some" of you still wont get it.

I'll take a look at what "others" have posted as builds elsewhere, but some helpful advice on what someone here on Steam uses, where they have started out at, and why, would be really nice. If I wanted to do countless hours of research on it, I would have done that. Instead I thought that asking on here would save some time on researching it, possibly I was wrong, sheesh. It sure at this point would have saved some time on typing all this crap.

The trolls are real.

[Kotli]

My guess is any Zombie/skeleton/spectres minion master Witch build would be good. The reason is simple you have a meat wall to protect you.

[Grumpy]

Originally posted by Cr4zYcH1cK3nB0Y:

#5 Telling the truth about how several people play PoE all day and night and do absolutely nothing else if their life is a personal attack on me for some reason but I have no clue why ✔

when "newbie" is a personal attack for you, then idk anymore

Originally posted by Cr4zYcH1cK3nB0Y:

Stop all the trolling please. I asked for some simple advice for starting out hardcore, so taking someone just posting E Q J U G G and that suppose to be the end of the conversation really doesnt help. I know all of you are all about the build, but where you start at on the board DOES MATTER! Do you read that, IT DOES MATTER.... wish I could make bigger letters than that because I know "some" of you still wont get it.

first off you can write bigger, with the header tag from steam.
Furthermore, I wonder who the real troll is here. You asked for help. You get answer. You dont understand the answer and scream at everybody troll. also there is just ONE place to start a EQ JUGG, slayer something, gladiator sunder or necromancer something.

People gave you actual build advices for the stuff you asked for, tanky and HC viable. But People here will not write 100 pages of newbie 101 for several stuff when its clear that you are not willing to use google once.

Where is the problem to go to http://www.timtips.com/buildbrowser/#/list and search for juggernaut (or any other recommendations) and have a full guide on your hand?

Originally posted by Cr4zYcH1cK3nB0Y:

Instead I thought that asking on here would save some time on researching it, possibly I was wrong, sheesh. It sure at this point would have saved some time on typing all this crap.

If you want absolutely no research then is PoE the wrong game for you.

and with

Originally posted by Grumpy:

assume that the stats of the base classes matter much

I referred to that:

Originally posted by Cr4zYcH1cK3nB0Y:

Originally posted by Gammy:

Which "class" you choose doesn't matter really. All that does is determine starting point and ascendencies, nothing else. Skill and ascendency matter a lot more then anything else. Slayer is a duelist ascendency. EQ is earthquake.

Ok, but it does matter because they have different stats... ... dex... strength ... intellect... they increase differently for each class, so, yeah, i'd think it does matter some