Why isn't there an ice/lightning version of Avatar of Fire?

[Merilirem]

Edit: I don't mean exact, i just mean a keystone to pull the build together.

Its always kind of bugged me that fire builds get a cool keystone that makes them awesome at fire but ice and lightning builds don't have anything i can find which hits home for them despite being a part of the same TRIFORCE of elemental magic.

It doesn't have to be the exact same or anything, i just wish we had some way of going full into a specific style like with fire.

I mainly play this game with aestetics in mind to be fair. I like to make a legendary character that does stuff and play them till they die, then try something new. Im not asking for builds or anything, since i like doing my own thing, but i just can't find any specific keystone for ice/lightning builds which only bothers me because fire has one.

I know fire is generally good but still... Even chaos has its own silly inoculation thing which kinda counts in my book. My Immune chaos witch was a hoot until her shield failed her afterall.

[Awesome!]

because conversion only goes one way. you cant convert fire to cold or lightning damage.

[Merilirem]

Originally posted by Awesome!:

because conversion only goes one way. you cant convert fire to cold or lightning damage.

Yes but thats not answering my question. What im asking is why there isn't an ICE keystone passive. I said version but i suppose i should edit to be more clear.

[Paroe]

Originally posted by Awesome!:

because conversion only goes one way. you cant convert fire to cold or lightning damage.

But... Avatar of fire converts ALL elemental into fire. Lightning doesnt go directly into fire.

IMO others avatars could just go to various places on the tree.
Or perhaps they could all belong to the witch and shadow;
Witches mono-element clusters could be turned into a circle with an "avatar of" at the pinnacle.
Shadows shadow cluster could have an "avatar of chaos" that converts 50% of all elemental and physical damage into chaos damage, too.

[Merilirem]

Originally posted by Paroe:

Originally posted by Awesome!:

because conversion only goes one way. you cant convert fire to cold or lightning damage.

But... Avatar of fire converts ALL elemental into fire. Lightning doesnt go directly into fire.

IMO others avatars could just go to various places on the tree.
Or perhaps they could all belong to the witch and shadow;
Witches mono-element clusters could be turned into a circle with an "avatar of" at the pinnacle.
Shadows shadow cluster could have an "avatar of chaos" that converts 50% of all elemental and physical damage into chaos damage, too.

You could also just do other things that boost those elements while completely restricting you to that damage type.

My point is that there are no Ice or lightning Keystones at all. They seem too important to be left without a big kicker that defines the playstyle. Ice for instance could just increase the area of effect/projectiles created or something but limit you to only ice damage. You would become a walking blizzard of death thats completely unnavoidable.

There are many powers to give and while conversion would be cool you can always code around it if its not viable with how the system works. Im not trying to get an exact copy for ice, im just wondering why there isn't anything for ice even though most other general classic builds have things they like. Minions have a keystone to explode and another to take your shield.

Keystones are so much fun afterall and any main playstyle should have one they build the class around. Im not saying every build should use keystones, just that Ice and Lightning seem like pretty major parts of the game so even if you can't convert all damage into lightning or ice you should still have something that makes them feel special when you invest into them completely.

[Lagwin1980]

it was considered at some point but i'm prety sure they said the balancing would be to troublesome...even avatar of fire was removed from the game for quite a while so they could fix it

[Merilirem]

Originally posted by Lagwin1980:

it was considered at some point but i'm prety sure they said the balancing would be to troublesome...even avatar of fire was removed from the game for quite a while so they could fix it

Balancing a Keystone passive for ice and lightning would be too difficult?

Just to be clear you read my post or atleast the first part right? I did not mean an exact copt of avatar of fire, i just meant a Keystone to make them more unique and fun.

I mean maybe there are difficulties with balance when you force 1 element on someones build. I would think at the very least you could just decrease all other damage directly and make the passive give a substantial buff. something like -100% and +50% you know.